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Mr. Scot

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kungfoodude Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Depends on your mindset.

Most guys taking head coaching jobs look at sh-t situations but say to themselves "I can fix it".

Is that Johnson? No idea 😕

You should have an idea based on the places/situations he has turned down the past two seasons.

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5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You should have an idea based on the places/situations he has turned down the past two seasons.

If he takes the Raiders job under Davis after snubbing the Panthers under Tepper...Le Ouch 😖

That said, it's not farfetched to believe he was self aware enough in the past to believe he wasn't ready.

And frankly, kinda hard to deny that his past decisions have put him in a pretty good spot.

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4 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

As of right now, I think we are in better shape than the Raiders.  That could change of course, but Bryce has played well the last 8 games or so, now we just need to tweek a couple of spots on offense, and fix the defense.  

We are definitely not in a better spot than the Raiders but that is a sinking and floating turd argument, ultimately.

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2 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I disagree, because we MIGHT have a qb.  They have relatively little chance of getting one.  But I suppose we will find out.  

We have a worse owner and a WAY worse roster. 

TBH, it's not that close of an argument.

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32 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Those really aren't debatable points. 

Sure, they are. Raiders roster is pitiful. They have the best young TE in the game. He’s probably the best TE period. 
 

Other than Bowers and Maxx Crosby (28yo at start of next season), what makes their roster special?

 

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2 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

Sure, they are. Raiders roster is pitiful. They have the best young TE in the game. He’s probably the best TE period. 
 

Other than Bowers and Maxx Crosby (28yo at start of next season), what makes their roster special?

 

Their roster isn't special. Ours is historically bad. That is the difference.

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I guess Johnson and Glenn have all the time in the world now to choose their next destination. History has shown even after a game like tonight, that usually doesn't affect interest.

Although if both leave, I think Lions fans are going to have a much bigger pill to swallow. Things tend to go bad for teams that has their staff poached away.

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2 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

I guess Johnson and Glenn have all the time in the world now to choose their next destination. History has shown even after a game like tonight, that usually doesn't affect interest.

Although if both leave, I think Lions fans are going to have a much bigger pill to swallow. Things tend to go bad for teams that has their staff poached away.

It won't affect interest, but it COULD affect Johnson's decision to leave, especially if it's for the Raiders.  

I think it's going to be tougher for him to go to a complete re-build without a QB after a loss like this one and not come back for one last run at a SB and then hopefully land with whatever team gets the #1 pick and Manning.

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