Josh Norris: Panthers-Garrett Wilson trade options

[mrcompletely11]

46 minutes ago, toldozer said:

They're not getting a top 10 pick for him. Id trade our second for him though.  Best defensive player available then Wilson then defense for the rest of the draft

Say what now?

[PNW_PantherMan]

7 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

Jalen Coker has entered the chat

Coker is our best WR prospect, but we're talking about a #1 receiver that defenses plan around.  Coker might develop into that, but he might be a WR2-3 his entire career.

I don't understand turning our noses up at elite players because we have rose tinted glasses about our own guys.

[toldozer]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

3 seasons, 3 straight 1000+ seasons. You might not get a top 10 for him but he is easily worth a first round pick. 

He's on the last year of his deal. Same reason we got jack poo for burns,  he's about to get PAID. 

Edited February 5 by toldozer

[Waldo]

2 hours ago, PantherKyle said:

Money.

And he likes Bryce. 

There is usually more money in free agency and every agent knows this. It's how we got those 2 OGs last year.

[Waldo]

4 hours ago, jfra78 said:

I think he had some tweets praising Bryce, so people want to connect the dots

I get it. It's hope huffing season.

[PNW_PantherMan]

5 minutes ago, Waldo said:

There is usually more money in free agency and every agent knows this. It's how we got those 2 OGs last year.

Right but he's not a UFA until 2027 since this is the last year of his deal, and then in 2026 they have the 5th year option.  He may not want to be stuck on the Jets for 2 more years.  Plus a lot can happen in 2 years.  Look at what Diontae Johnson did in less than 1.  A trade and extension agreement fixes both of those problems.

[Wood228]

Why are we so pressed to get weapons when we can't get the ball to them? We need O-line to protect the QB before any "weapon". Our first pick needs to be something boring/foundational O-line or D-line. We went to the Super Bowl with Jerricho Cotchery, Ted Ginn and Devin Funchess. I say that to say that we don't need the weapons at this point.  

 

[jfra78]

28 minutes ago, Wood228 said:

Why are we so pressed to get weapons when we can't get the ball to them? We need O-line to protect the QB before any "weapon". Our first pick needs to be something boring/foundational O-line or D-line. We went to the Super Bowl with Jerricho Cotchery, Ted Ginn and Devin Funchess. I say that to say that we don't need the weapons at this point.  

 

And Cam and Olsen

[CRA]

38 minutes ago, toldozer said:

He's on the last year of his deal. Same reason we got jack poo for burns,  he's about to get PAID. 

Burns was also coming off a season where the passing rushing specialist who sucked vs the run was tied for 37th in sacks. 

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Right but he's not a UFA until 2027 since this is the last year of his deal, and then in 2026 they have the 5th year option.  He may not want to be stuck on the Jets for 2 more years.  Plus a lot can happen in 2 years.  Look at what Diontae Johnson did in less than 1.  A trade and extension agreement fixes both of those problems.

Johnson was a known character issue, people here willingly avoided it except for a few. Injury seems like a much bigger issue IMO, the NFL is brutal even if he is only 24.

An extension only works if he agrees or it's just an expensive 2 year rental. Maybe he wants out of the Jets so bad he doesn't care about winning or getting his biggest possible payday. Once his 5th option is picked up it's as guaranteed as his pay next year so he doesn't have to sign anything if he doesn't want to do so and still hit free agency in 2 years if the team trading for him doesn't have those negotiations locked up before the trade is finalized. Franchise tags being much diminished as they are and all.

[jfra78]

6 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Johnson was a known character issue, people here willingly avoided it except for a few. Injury seems like a much bigger issue IMO, the NFL is brutal even if he is only 24.

An extension only works if he agrees or it's just an expensive 2 year rental. Maybe he wants out of the Jets so bad he doesn't care about winning or getting his biggest possible payday. Once his 5th option is picked up it's as guaranteed as his pay next year so he doesn't have to sign anything if he doesn't want to do so and still hit free agency in 2 years if the team trading for him doesn't have those negotiations locked up before the trade is finalized. Franchise tags being much diminished as they are and all.

On the flip side he is a proven #1 WR with 1 year left on rookie deal and a 5th year option.  He is only 24 and if you are going to spend the money why not on a young guy who can give 6-8 years

[PNW_PantherMan]

3 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

On the flip side he is a proven #1 WR with 1 year left on rookie deal and a 5th year option.  He is only 24 and if you are going to spend the money why not on a young guy who can give 6-8 years

Most people would use a top 10 pick on a receiver with those numbers and have no problem paying them.  But giving a pick to another team to get that player?  Unreasonable.

[Wood228]

22 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

And Cam and Olsen

Well duh dude..... My point was that we didnt need to add weapons. We needed the help up front. Imagine if Cam ever had a decent O-line.

[mav1234]

58 minutes ago, Wood228 said:

Why are we so pressed to get weapons when we can't get the ball to them? We need O-line to protect the QB before any "weapon". Our first pick needs to be something boring/foundational O-line or D-line. We went to the Super Bowl with Jerricho Cotchery, Ted Ginn and Devin Funchess. I say that to say that we don't need the weapons at this point.  

 

Our OL was one of the better overall lines in football last year ... We do need depth, and our DL is legit garbage but the OL was the best unit in the team by far.  Ultimately we still need weapons, tho I'm not big on giving up #8 to get someone that's likely only here for a year or two.