Tetairoa McMillan

[Aussie Tank]

13 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I swear to god, this has been said so many times by people on here, and I have to call it out for what it is, utter and complete nonsense.

This isn't even me pushing for my guy again, it's just dumb.  

Bryce doesn't have a cannon for an arm, he literally couldn't even properly take advantage of the type of player you're talking about here if he wanted to.  If you want to say we need an uber quick fast twitch WR to get the ball into their hands and let their speed make plays, that's totally fair.  

But to say we need that true speedster deep threat (and I know you didn't include "speedster" but if you're saying "true deep threat" instead of a "jump ball guy" it's clearly what you mean) is just nonsense when our QB has probably the weakest arm of any starting QB (and again, think what you will about Bryce's potential, that's just an indisputable fact).

Honestly, I have no idea what people are watching when they say stuff like this

Basically every single "expert analysis" of T-Mac as a prospect talks about how he's surprisingly fluid and a threat after the catch for a player of his size.  If you want to talk about his speed and how fast/slow he looks to you, that's something I can't knock as yes, his overall speed is his one main weakness.

But to say Evans looked more fluid than T-Mac is again, just literal nonsense, everything else you think about him as a prospect aside.

You don't fight a garbage take with another garbage take Bryce fed Jamison Williams deep all day in college so he can do it 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

Check out the game by game breakdowns this past year for TMac.  He feasted on bad competition like UNM with 304 yards and 4 TDs then went 7 straight games without a TD. He broke 100 receiving yards in 5 of the 12 games he played.  The only concern I have is him disappearing in some games.  One report is he was playing hurt and I know his QB play was pretty bad.  He just isn't as strong of a prospect as Evans was IMO.  That doesn't mean he won't be great in the NFL.  

Take out the UNM game entirely and he still had over 1,000 yards on the season, so removing one big game isn't a fair way of looking at the game log breakdown anyways.

Beyond that....

In 15 games against ranked teams in his career, he has

90 rec, 1,182 yards, 9 TDs

I'm sorry, but in what world can you look at those stats and say he only feasted on bad competition?

Then yes, you touched on it and I've never brought it up because I felt his actual play spoke for itself anyways, but he did play this whole season banged up.  He got hurt in the spring/summer and missed all of fall practice, they weren't even sure if he was going to be ready for Week 1 of the season until the week of the game and you could see he was a bit hobbled at times this year. 

And yes, his QB play was awful this year, the coaching and play calling was even worse, and the secondary weapons to take any defensive attention away from him was somehow worse than either of those previous two things.

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, Aussie Tank said:

You don't fight a garbage take with another garbage take Bryce fed Jamison Williams deep all day in college so he can do it 

LOL

If you think throwing the deep ball in college is remotely the same thing as the NFL, then you're just lying to yourself.  College defenses SUCK, it's why you see absurd scoring numbers and huge plays on a constant basis.  

It's an undeniable fact that Bryce doesn't have a cannon for an arm, trying to argue that Bryce has the arm to take advantage of a true speedster to take the top off the defense is the worst argument anyone can make to help their credibility.

This has nothing to do with my love of T-Mac or my feelings about Bryce in general.  He has a weak arm, he doesn't have the ability to just throw the ball past the defense and let his WR chase the ball down, which is what people are asking for when they say they want that type of WR.

When people refuse to just admit painfully obvious things like that, it's just a bad look.  You can LOVE a player while still acknowledging their biggest weakness, and with Bryce, it's his ability to throw the deep ball.

[Aussie Tank]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

LOL

If you think throwing the deep ball in college is remotely the same thing as the NFL, then you're just lying to yourself.  College defenses SUCK, it's why you see absurd scoring numbers and huge plays on a constant basis.  

It's an undeniable fact that Bryce doesn't have a cannon for an arm, trying to argue that Bryce has the arm to take advantage of a true speedster to take the top off the defense is the worst argument anyone can make to help their credibility.

This has nothing to do with my love of T-Mac or my feelings about Bryce in general.  He has a weak arm, he doesn't have the ability to just throw the ball past the defense and let his WR chase the ball down, which is what people are asking for when they say they want that type of WR.

When people refuse to just admit painfully obvious things like that, it's just a bad look.  You can LOVE a player while still acknowledging their biggest weakness, and with Bryce, it's his ability to throw the deep ball.

You seem to think playing WR in college is the same as the pros

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

You seem to think playing WR in college is the same as the pros

No, I don’t.

in fact, I’ve made numerous posts describing in depth the numerous ways I see T-Mac’s game working in the NFL and with Bryce’s skill set in particular.

[ForJimmy]

22 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Take out the UNM game entirely and he still had over 1,000 yards on the season, so removing one big game isn't a fair way of looking at the game log breakdown anyways.

Beyond that....

In 15 games against ranked teams in his career, he has

90 rec, 1,182 yards, 9 TDs

I'm sorry, but in what world can you look at those stats and say he only feasted on bad competition?

Then yes, you touched on it and I've never brought it up because I felt his actual play spoke for itself anyways, but he did play this whole season banged up.  He got hurt in the spring/summer and missed all of fall practice, they weren't even sure if he was going to be ready for Week 1 of the season until the week of the game and you could see he was a bit hobbled at times this year. 

And yes, his QB play was awful this year, the coaching and play calling was even worse, and the secondary weapons to take any defensive attention away from him was somehow worse than either of those previous two things.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/4685472/tetairoa-mcmillan
 

Anyone is welcome to look up his per game stats. It was a weak schedule and teams like Utah and Colorado shut him down. He went 7 straight games without a score. I’m just saying he isn’t quite on the same level Evans was coming out. That’s not really an insult. 

[micnificent28]

6 hours ago, La Pantera said:

Evan’s looked far more fluid than Tmac, coming out. To me Tmac has a lumbering gate. He has an insane catch radius. But to me looks much slower than 4.53.

I think the opposite.. Evans is stiff and never been a big run after catch guy. He ran a pretty good 40 straight line speed. I think t ma stock can go up or down depending on his 40.

[PNW_PantherMan]

41 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/4685472/tetairoa-mcmillan
 

Anyone is welcome to look up his per game stats. It was a weak schedule and teams like Utah and Colorado shut him down. He went 7 straight games without a score. I’m just saying he isn’t quite on the same level Evans was coming out. That’s not really an insult. 

[jfra78]

24 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I think the opposite.. Evans is stiff and never been a big run after catch guy. He ran a pretty good 40 straight line speed. I think t ma stock can go up or down depending on his 40.

I don't care what his 40 says, he looks slow when he plays and Evans doesn't 

[tukafan21]

8 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/4685472/tetairoa-mcmillan
 

Anyone is welcome to look up his per game stats. It was a weak schedule and teams like Utah and Colorado shut him down. He went 7 straight games without a score. I’m just saying he isn’t quite on the same level Evans was coming out. That’s not really an insult. 

And this is why teams don't draft players off of reading cherry picked box scores, but by watching film, because this doesn't come close to telling the story of his season or even those games.

That Colorado game for example, T-Mac only had 7 targets all game, of those 7, he caught 5 of them, with 3 for 1st downs, the other two still ended up as first downs with a pass interference and a roughing the passer penalty on them, and then sat for most of the 4th quarter as the game was over.

I can't stress enough how bad Arizona's coaching staff failed T-Mac this year, and short of having access to full game footage and knowing how to cut it all together into a video to show you all, I can't properly counter other than saying to trust me, which I know won't go over well here.  I'm not sure I've ever seen a team double a WR off the snap with a 3rd man also over the top of them as was done to him this year, because teams had zero fear of our QB or other weapons being a threat to them.  

The play calling this season was beyond atrocious, the Arizona fan base was calling for the firing of the entire coaching staff all year long, it was really really really bad.  Literally, I think the Arizona fan base was more upset with our staff this year than this fan base was ever upset with Rhule (and no, I'm not joking, it was that ugly)  

Hell, even beyond any of that, Evans had a Heisman winning QB and future 1st round pick throwing him the ball in a crazy pass happy offense, but sure, let's ignore that and put it all on the two players.

Evan's QB stats his Jr season - 300 completions, 4,114 yards, 37 TDs 

T-Mac's QB stats his Jr season - 260 completions, 2,958 yards, 18 TDs

And again, cherry picking box scores is just dumb anyways.  

Because yea, I can do the same thing, like how in Evans' 2nd to last college game against #5 Mizzouri, he had 4 catches for 8 yards (and that was with a long catch of 10 yards, so his other 3 were for -2 yards).  

The whole point is that trying to compare college box scores from over a decade apart is just a fools errand as they aren't really comparable, far too many other factors that comparing WR game logs to each other is just ridiculous.

 

[panther252]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/4685472/tetairoa-mcmillan
 

Anyone is welcome to look up his per game stats. It was a weak schedule and teams like Utah and Colorado shut him down. He went 7 straight games without a score. I’m just saying he isn’t quite on the same level Evans was coming out. That’s not really an insult. 

I can hear the paragraphs getting typed from here. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Check out the game by game breakdowns this past year for TMac.  He feasted on bad competition like UNM with 304 yards and 4 TDs then went 7 straight games without a TD. He broke 100 receiving yards in 5 of the 12 games he played.  The only concern I have is him disappearing in some games.  One report is he was playing hurt and I know his QB play was pretty bad.  He just isn't as strong of a prospect as Evans was IMO.  That doesn't mean he won't be great in the NFL.  

Poor QB play and obviously being by far and away his team's offensive #1 threat definitely meant good opposing defenses could dedicate a lot of resources towards him.

Honestly, I'm not even stumping for drafting the guy. I'm just saying he's a significantly better prospect than the Drake London comp. If you want to say he's lesser than Mike Williams, I'm cool with that. Honestly, yeah I'd have him ranked below him as a prospect myself. I just think he's closer to Williams as a prospect than London.

[tukafan21]

35 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I don't care what his 40 says, he looks slow when he plays and Evans doesn't 

If he plays so slow, how was he 5th in the Big 12 this year in YAC?

Luther Burden, who everyone here lauds as an elite post catch guy, had 676 yards this season.

T-Mac who everyone here claims is slow and plodding, had 430 yards AFTER the catch this season.

But yea, he's slow, stiff, and just a 50/50 ball type of WR.

Edited February 12 by tukafan21

[jfra78]

5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

If he plays so slow, how was he 5th in the Big 12 this year in YAC?

Luther Burden, who everyone here lauds as an elite post catch guy, had 676 yards this season.

T-Mac who everyone here claims is slow and plodding, had 430 yards AFTER the catch this season.

But yea, he's slow, stiff, and just a 50/50 ball type of WR.

Broken plays and bad coverage vs weak opponents