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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So one. Who was a third round pick because of his lack of college production.

Moving the goal posts are we?  You asked for 1 I gave you 1. 

2.  Odafe Oweh 

Penn State player who didn't have a sack in his last season, but was drafted by the Ravens in 2022 and had 10 sacks in 2024.

I get your point--but I already made a point about the risk and why I would not do it, and then you mention the round which is a statement about risk tolerance.  

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3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Moving the goal posts are we?  You asked for 1 I gave you 1. 

2.  Odafe Oweh 

Penn State player who didn't have a sack in his last season, but was drafted by the Ravens in 2022 and had 10 sacks in 2024.

I get your point--but I already made a point about the risk and why I would not do it, and then you mention the round which is a statement about risk tolerance.  

My point was and is that it's rare. LOL

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My point was and is that it's rare. LOL

Not being able to find one is not how I define "rare." Say what you mean.   I agree with you, but there are more factors than performance in college that indicate professional success, which was my point.  LOL

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Is there any actual evidence that he played the season at his listed weight? Plenty of colleges over-list the heights and weights of their players. Isn't it much more likely that Texas A&M just...lied? Than that he lost 20-ish pounds and is a totally different athlete now?

Also, he was listed at 281, not 290. I don't see where 290's coming from.

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People mentioning Myles Garrett when talking about this guy are laughable.  Garrett had 48.5 tackles for loss and 32.5 sacks in 3 years in college.
 

People can try to talk this into reality but Garrett is miles better than Stewart.  How can you have that type of physical profile and not have big numbers?  Something is amiss here.

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32 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Not being able to find one is not how I define "rare." Say what you mean.   I agree with you, but there are more factors than performance in college that indicate professional success, which was my point.  LOL

It's about playing the odds. You're trying to hit on a long shot when you're picking a guy with all the measurables and none of the production. 3rd round? Sure, I can be sold on that depending on how the board falls. Top 10? Craziness.

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2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't buy into this concept that a high major P5 coaching staff would play an elite NFL caliber athlete in a role that would lessen his impact. I also don't buy into this concept that you overdraft underperforming high level athletes on the hopes that you can coach them into productivity. There's a time and a place to draft these types and IMO it ain't in the first two rounds of the draft.

These types are the prototypical NFL busts.

It happens. Will McDonald was even smaller than Stewart, and Iowa State had him playing 4i for absolutely no reason. He got drafted 15th overall and just had 10.5 sacks for the Jets.

Micah Parsons, obviously, got shifted from edge to linebacker so Penn State could get more big fasts onto the field. Nobody had any idea what they were doing with him, including the Cowboys until they had so many edge injuries that they had to put Parsons back at his high school position.

Also, Stewart had a lot of pressures. 33. No idea how he managed to get 1.5 sacks off of 33 pressures--it's one of the weirdest things I can remember in a college player's career. And I get that "almost" doesn't count. But he was great in practice and the game at the Senior Bowl. He's got insane tools. He was genuinely good against the run all year, and if the coaches think they can get him over the hump and start turning those pressures into actual sacks, I won't hate it.

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11 minutes ago, theinstrumental said:

Is there any actual evidence that he played the season at his listed weight? Plenty of colleges over-list the heights and weights of their players. Isn't it much more likely that Texas A&M just...lied? Than that he lost 20-ish pounds and is a totally different athlete now?

Also, he was listed at 281, not 290. I don't see where 290's coming from.

 Verified 281 at Senior Bowl. He’s going to play closer to that weight. 

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1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Moving the goal posts are we?  You asked for 1 I gave you 1. 

2.  Odafe Oweh 

Penn State player who didn't have a sack in his last season, but was drafted by the Ravens in 2022 and had 10 sacks in 2024.

I get your point--but I already made a point about the risk and why I would not do it, and then you mention the round which is a statement about risk tolerance.  

Ok, but, uh, do ten! 😅😅

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2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I get its your take and your opinion but just understand you are in the extreme minority thinking this

 

this kid is a beast

 

the play at 9:25, Jesus

If we’re going to move Brown to NT, then I see it more. Graham will get swallowed up at NT. 
 

He’s under 300lb and only put up 24 reps on bench. Many LBs have done better than that. 

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There's a bit of a misconception - Stewart has good tape, but he has a pressure to sack conversion blip that's mightily significant.  The "why" for that is the question.  

and edit - I like him, but that blip doesn't really make him a top-10 pick for me.  Even in this lesser talented class.  If we're flirting with this, might as well take a swing on Donavon Ez.  He has good enough run-d and is the most refined pass rusher after Carter.

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There's a bit of a misconception - Stewart has good tape, but he has a pressure to sack conversion blip that's mightily significant.  The "why" for that is the question.  

It’s fairly simple. He doesn’t have an outside quick win move. Those instant wins around the corner are what makes for the big sack #. He don’t have the Gumby bend right now and you need that to win quick and turn that corner. Charles Johnson didn’t and became a good player. Stewart can be successful, but he’s going to have to work for sacks at this stage in his game. While I don’t think anyone in this thread thinks he’s outright bad, there is too much risk in the top 10.

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3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Will be interesting to see how he rises after the combine.  In the COMBINE PREDICTIONS thread, I predicted he would have a great combine and the Panthers would draft him--it seemed like a stretch at the time--

Brugler just said he wouldnt be surprised to see him go to the panthers at 8

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It’s fairly simple. He doesn’t have an outside quick win move. Those instant wins around the corner are what makes for the big sack #. He don’t have the Gumby bend right now and you need that to win quick and turn that corner. Charles Johnson didn’t and became a good player. Stewart can be successful, but he’s going to have to work for sacks at this stage in his game. While I don’t think anyone in this thread thinks he’s outright bad, there is too much risk in the top 10.

Totally agree, made a quick edit that will probably clear my view up.  Not top-10 worthy, good player, but way too much risk baked in compared to who else should be there.

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