Joe Person: Panthers really like Mason Graham and Jalon Walker

[Biscuit]

[MHS831]

Joe Person working on his next piece of Journalism.

 

In fairness to Joe, Morgan was deceptive and tight lipped this year.  And I think Graham would have been the pick had he fallen.

[tukafan21]

It's not a good look for him, but I don't put much stock in all this.

He's a DT who is a gamer and not a workout warrior to begin with, add in that he probably celebrated a bit too much post-draft and wasn't keeping in his best shape, and it makes sense for him to be out of shape right now.

If he still looks like this come training camp, then it's a much bigger red flag to keep an eye on 

[tukafan21]

4 hours ago, MHS831 said:

With the benefit of hindsight---I don't think we knew about the medical concerns/knee.  Arizona got him at 47.  The risk dropped him.

I had long said he was one of the main players I wanted at 8 if T-Mac wasn't there or if we just weren't going to take him even if he was.

I genuinely wonder if his agent was working to keep the extent of his knee problems quiet, because it's clear the teams all were much more concerned about how long his knee might hold up than any analyst ever talked about, so us fans would never have had any idea of course.

[MHS831]

6 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I had long said he was one of the main players I wanted at 8 if T-Mac wasn't there or if we just weren't going to take him even if he was.

I genuinely wonder if his agent was working to keep the extent of his knee problems quiet, because it's clear the teams all were much more concerned about how long his knee might hold up than any analyst ever talked about, so us fans would never have had any idea of course.

I saw something where Will Johnson said that he will "make the league pay" for passing over him.  He wanted a team to pay full price for potentially damaged goods. I recently did not buy a  2023 Honda Odyssey because I did a CarFax and determined that it had been in a rather severe accident the year before.  The salesman (the car's agent) failed to mention it.  He was trying to get nearly full retail on the book value, and I passed on him and the car.  It may be fine.  It may be a great car and take a happy family to Disneyland one day.  I was not passing on the car's present ability, I was passing on the increased risk that there would be a problem that resulted from this damage in the future.

[LinvilleGorge]

11 hours ago, MHS831 said:

With the benefit of hindsight---I don't think we knew about the medical concerns/knee.  Arizona got him at 47.  The risk dropped him.

I saw numerous reports leading up to the draft that he'd been injury red flagged by numerous teams due to cartilage damage and wear issues that they think could shorten his career.

[MHS831]

6 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I had long said he was one of the main players I wanted at 8 if T-Mac wasn't there or if we just weren't going to take him even if he was.

I genuinely wonder if his agent was working to keep the extent of his knee problems quiet, because it's clear the teams all were much more concerned about how long his knee might hold up than any analyst ever talked about, so us fans would never have had any idea of course.

I guess there are signs. The combination of the turf toe, hamstring, and knee issues led to questions about his long-term health and affected his draft stock, causing him to fall to the second round.  Here is what I know about a knee injury.  It changes nearly every aspect of your lower body movement.  So the turf toe and hamstring could be related.  It makes him seem injury prone.  I guess the knee was not the most recent injury, so the others could have been a result of favoring the knee.

Johnson did not run the 40 at the combine or pro day.  That suggests there is something he feels might drop his value.  So if you downplay the severity of the injury, have a history of possibly related injuries, and refuse to demonstrate (when given multiple opportunities) that you are fully recovered, don't get mad when your stock drops. 

[flagfootballcoach28]

Glad he didn’t fall to us with the chance of us drafting him. Funny how so many people thought drafting an undersized DT at #8 with poor athletic traits and short arms was going to move the needle for us.. Especially considering we signed Wharton and Brown over the offseason..Robinson and Brown still on the roster as well. 

Edited 2 minutes ago by flagfootballcoach28