DE Johnson & RB Williams hope to stay

[TheRealDeal]

I am with JR I sign no one till I see what the salary cap is going to be.

You sign no one to what? Your fantasy roster?

I'm sure JR feels better now that you are firmly entrenched behind him during these negotiations.

[TheRealDeal]

Has any team signed anyone this offseason other than tagging?

yes

[TylerVagyler]

Has any team signed anyone this offseason other than tagging?

Denver just resigned Bailey.

[Peppers90 NC]

yes

Yea I did notice a few.. Champ and Ronde most recently.

[The Saltman]

I bet John Fox is happy they can resign some of their veterans

[Snake]

We could resign them right now...

we should

30% rule and the CBA makes that hard. Besides they more then likely will get more money with a new CBA.

[Snake]

Denver just resigned Bailey.

Hope Champ likes playing in a Cover 2 zone and 50ft back from the WR.

[Swarly]

With a new salary cap comes a salary cap floor. With that probably being set around 100 million, the panthers must spend 30 million to meet that requirement.

Well the salary floor(and cap) increases every season.

2007 - $81 million floor, $109 million cap

2008 - $100 million floor, $116 million cap

2009 - $112 million floor, $128 million cap

The salary floor in the 2009 season was 87.6% of the salary cap. According to wiki, it increases 1.2% per season, and stops at 90% in 2011. So let's just throw out a number(completely speculation) and say the cap in 2011-2012 will be $140 million. If the floor is 90% of the cap, the salary floor in 2011 might be around $126 million.

The Panthers are currently at $71.8 million dollars in salary going into 2011. They would have to spend $55 million dollars just to get to the salary FLOOR.

Lotta money to spend this off-season haha.

[panthers55]

30% rule, DLo would require 25 mil signing bonus.

The 30% rule was a one time thing for 2010. I thought it was no longer in effect much like the RFA 6 year rule. I looked up Champ Bailey since he signed an extension this week but it looks like he actually took a pay cut from 13 to 11 million this year. So it was no help.

[panthers55]

Well the salary floor(and cap) increases every season.

2007 - $81 million floor, $109 million cap

2008 - $100 million floor, $116 million cap

2009 - $112 million floor, $128 million cap

The salary floor in the 2009 season was 87.6% of the salary cap. According to wiki, it increases 1.2% per season, and stops at 90% in 2011. So let's just throw out a number(completely speculation) and say the cap in 2011-2012 will be $140 million. If the floor is 90% of the cap, the salary floor in 2011 might be around $126 million.

The Panthers are currently at $71.8 million dollars in salary going into 2011. They would have to spend $55 million dollars just to get to the salary FLOOR.

Lotta money to spend this off-season haha.

The cap can be easily manipulated and doesn't reflect what teams actually spend since it pro rates salaries over the life of a contract so it under reflects the salaries in the early years and over reflects the salaries in later years. If Richardson plans to resign his core players and assuming that they give out signing bonuses consistent with prior years, it may cost almost 100 million in signing bonuses just to resign the key players. If you add that to the salaries already committed and we will likely be well over the actual 140 million in actual salary. Signing bonuses and all guaranteed money paid upfront is counted as salary in the year it is paid (2011) although it is prorated over the life of the contract regarding the cap figure.

So to sign all the guys that we supposedly are interested in resigning will cost Richardson a wad this year.

[jtnc]

The thought of losing CJ to the Broncos or Falcons makes me sick.

[Actionman0z]

It would go against everything that we have done draft wise to NOT resign these guys. They will get theirs and they will get it from the Panthers.

[bleys]

correct me if I'm wrong, but if you have the ability to wait to sign your players and our players are cool with that because Richardson has made it clear he wants to resign them... then why wouldn't you wait until a CBA is formed when you have a lot of 3-7 year contracts you have to fit like a puzzle to stay as far under the cap as possible every year moving forward?

wouldn't it be more of an oversight on JR's part to disregard that scenario and sign whoever?

[Lumps]

Easier said than done and why do it with no idea what the CBA or next cap will look like?

Because just like you said other teams are willing to do it now regardless. And if they are willing to deal now, and talk to Dwill about a real, detailed contract, now, and show him they value him regardless of the CBA, security will be on Dwills side and actually would be pretty smart considering no one knows that the CBA could bring. He will be tempted and someone will offer more than JR. Whether he truly wants to stay will be the ultimate factor.

My biggest problem is why not trade him a while ago if he doesn't make that much difference in the run game? He may just be a RB but he is the best at what he does, so was Peppers...just doesn't seem smart to make letting high value players go on a consistent basis, who may not want to play here, for absolutely no compensation.

Personally, I think Dwill brings a lot to the run game and once he is gone we will miss him.