How would you feel if Bryce did this in 2025

[ForJimmy]

5 hours ago, CRA said:

my understanding is a big time throw, could be a 5-10 yard slant to Adam Thielen given AT isn't going to separate. 

 

“Generally thrown deeper down the field.” He was also one of the better deep ball passers his last 6 games. I understand wanting to be right about your original opinion of him but he definitely looked better throwing deeper down field those last 6 games. I’ve flip flopped on him plenty of times and he will either keep developing (hopefully) or not. We are building a decent NFL offense with or without him at this point. 

[ForJimmy]

5 hours ago, CRA said:

93% of his pass attempts last year are post benching to final game (starting with Denver). 

4 of his last 7 games his YPA are over 7 which is typically where you want it in the NFL. The most important thing is being able to keep the defense honest with the ability to hit some deep shots which is finally showed hr can do in those last games. Thats how you open up the offense. Regardless of how you look at it he was trending in the right direction. 

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

“Generally thrown deeper down the field.” He was also one of the better deep ball passers his last 6 games. I understand wanting to be right about your original opinion of him but he definitely looked better throwing deeper down field those last 6 games. I’ve flip flopped on him plenty of times and he will either keep developing (hopefully) or not. We are building a decent NFL offense with or without him at this point. 

Clearly, I was referencing the “or into tight windows” aspect of their stat and why it’s muddy what they are even including.  Because again, that’s our pass attack at large.  WRs that ain’t open much. 

I think people have drastically oversold the deep ball last year.   They were rare.  Did he hit some? Absolutely.   The fact teams showed it no respect helped.  The Panthers overall were factually one of the least threatening teams downfield under Bryce. 

[ForJimmy]

25 minutes ago, CRA said:

Clearly, I was referencing the “or into tight windows” aspect of their stat and why it’s muddy what they are even including.  Because again, that’s our pass attack at large.  WRs that ain’t open much. 

I think people have drastically oversold the deep ball last year.   They were rare.  Did he hit some? Absolutely.   The fact teams showed it no respect helped.  The Panthers overall were factually one of the least threatening teams downfield under Bryce. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/bryce-young-best-against-pressure-throwing-deep
 

My point is it got better later in the season. Teams couldn’t just pressure him and ignore the deep pass. He actually made them play honest. That’s why we actually got a few wins and held our own against both Super Bowl teams while sporting the league’s worst defense in history. Looks like in week 12 Young was the best deep ball passer in the league. Something he refused to do his rookie year. 
https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/pff-panthers-qb-bryce-young-the-best-deep-passer-week-12

I hope he builds on this and we might actually have a legit offense. 

[Icege]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

and yet you didnt answer one of those questions

The "big time throw" stat just seems like something made up from PFF

If you're trying to have a good faith convo, please clarify. I can't tell if you're being a dismissive douche or really want to discuss Panthers football.

I will gladly answer those questions if the latter.

Edited May 7 by Icege

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, Icege said:

If you're trying to have a good faith convo, please clarify. I can't tell if you're being a dismissive douche or really want to discuss Panthers football.

Please clarify what?   I asked you 3 questions and you cannot answer one

[ForJimmy]

52 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Please clarify what?   I asked you 3 questions and you cannot answer one

2 of the 3 have been already answered. It’s for the season, and the definition has been shared by several people now. The only one that hasn’t been answered clearly is “are they completions?” which I would assume they are unless they are using some other statistic to define it as a “catchable pass.” 

[AceBoogie]

On 5/4/2025 at 7:49 PM, mrcompletely11 said:

thats never going to happen

Why are you so miserable 

[mrcompletely11]

33 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Why are you so miserable 

poo man you tell and thanks for your concern

 

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[CRA]

12 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/bryce-young-best-against-pressure-throwing-deep
 

My point is it got better later in the season. Teams couldn’t just pressure him and ignore the deep pass. He actually made them play honest. That’s why we actually got a few wins and held our own against both Super Bowl teams while sporting the league’s worst defense in history. Looks like in week 12 Young was the best deep ball passer in the league. Something he refused to do his rookie year. 
https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/pff-panthers-qb-bryce-young-the-best-deep-passer-week-12

I hope he builds on this and we might actually have a legit offense. 

Sure, but I have long acknowledged he got better.  He went from horrific to mid-lower end starter.  But now you can’t say that…..you got people wanting to spin top 10 play if you look at it this way, great deep ball passer if you only acknowledge x.  

I mean the headline in that article is nice for fans to run with.   But in reality Bryce Young was not the best deep passer in week 12.  Far from it.  He went 2 of 7 with no TDs deep.  The week was full of guy who went something along the lines of 3 of 4 with a bomb TD.   So Bryce then gets appointed best deep passer for say….plays like a 50/50 jump ball while trailing late to a fully covered AT that goes incomplete but could have been something given how the defender played it….not an actual good play.  But that could have been a good play.  I mean, same play could have been a pick if everything else was the same and the defender who had AT blanketed played the ball better (nothing changes for Bryce in terms of what he did.  It’s just a 50/50ish ball to someone covered)….and his entire best deep passer week 12 is built off plays that never happened over guys that actually got it done.  

we should be happy Bryce went from shouldn’t of been drafted play to serviceable starter last year.  But all this spin that he is somehow actually sneaky great just ain’t something I’m doing yet 

[Icege]

11 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Please clarify what?   I asked you 3 questions and you cannot answer one

Please clarify if you're trying to have a good faith conversation and I’m happy to respond to your questions — though they have already been answered by others.

Edited May 7 by Icege

[panthers55]

13 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

4 of his last 7 games his YPA are over 7 which is typically where you want it in the NFL. The most important thing is being able to keep the defense honest with the ability to hit some deep shots which is finally showed hr can do in those last games. Thats how you open up the offense. Regardless of how you look at it he was trending in the right direction. 

Notice it is the same few people basically trying to find flaws to justify their dislike of Young. You are doing a good job but it won't matter what you say. They won't change their mind unless there is a tsunami of evidence that is irrefutable. The annoying thing is that when they are wrong you might get a 1 post acknowledgment months from now but have to suffer the constant negativity for months and hundred of posts in the interim.

[Navy_football]

58 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sure, but I have long acknowledged he got better.  He went from horrific to mid-lower end starter.  But now you can’t say that…..you got people wanting to spin top 10 play if you look at it this way, great deep ball passer if you only acknowledge x.  

I mean the headline in that article is nice for fans to run with.   But in reality Bryce Young was not the best deep passer in week 12.  Far from it.  He went 2 of 7 with no TDs deep.  The week was full of guy who went something along the lines of 3 of 4 with a bomb TD.   So Bryce then gets appointed best deep passer for say….plays like a 50/50 jump ball while trailing late to a fully covered AT that goes incomplete but could have been something given how the defender played it….not an actual good play.  But that could have been a good play.  I mean, same play could have been a pick if everything else was the same and the defender who had AT blanketed played the ball better (nothing changes for Bryce in terms of what he did.  It’s just a 50/50ish ball to someone covered)….and his entire best deep passer week 12 is built off plays that never happened over guys that actually got it done.  

we should be happy Bryce with from shouldn’t of been drafted play to serviceable starter last year.  But all this spin that he is somehow actually sneaky great just ain’t something I’m doing yet 

CRA, honestly I think you're giving other QBs too much credit. WRs bail out their QB more times than not in tight coverage. Yes, sometimes it's a perfectly placed ball that only the receiver can get to. But the receiver still has to make the play. QBs just give them a chance - trust factor. In that last game against ATL, Penix threw a lot of passes he had no business throwing. His recievers made play after play for him - that and our secondary had zero ball skills. That's normally how it goes. 

Panthers rarely have guys running wide open through defenses, so most passes are contested due to tight coverage not necessarily bad ball placement. It was that way for most of Cam's career. That's why Darnold struggled so much. That's why things got difficult for Baker. That's the difference in Carolina. And that's why they chose TMac instead of an Edge. 

Bryce was trying to wait on a guy to get open, or get in a position where he could throw them open. That, mixed with a bad oline, was why he struggled so much early and lost confidence. Difficult ask for a rookie QB. Hopefully he's figured it out going into his 3rd season. 

[mrcompletely11]

41 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Notice it is the same few people basically trying to find flaws to justify their dislike of Young. You are doing a good job but it won't matter what you say. They won't change their mind unless there is a tsunami of evidence that is irrefutable. The annoying thing is that when they are wrong you might get a 1 post acknowledgment months from now but have to suffer the constant negativity for months and hundred of posts in the interim.

Pretty sure the adverse applies here as well.  Cherry picking some random made up stat to prop Young up is not a good look either