ESPN's Top 10 Impact Rookies(non-1st Round)

[SmokinwithWilly]

8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/story/_/id/45025476/2025-nfl-draft-ranking-rookie-year-impact-mid-late-rounders

 

Full disclosure, was not at all a fan of this pick in the 2nd BECAUSE I generally view him as being very limited in his pass rush ability. 

That said, he does have the makeup to be very capable of replacing Clowney, long term.

I'm not a big fan of the sack statistic over actually being disruptive. Burns showed us that. Yeah, he'd get sacks, but he wasn't a consistent disruptive force on the edge. I'd rather see 0 sacks and causing problems on drop back half of the time. 

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, rmoneyg35 said:

Honestly I expect more from Princely Umanmielen than Scourton this year. Scourton is only 20 years old and won’t be 21 until August where Princley is 23 and was a 5th senior with 2 different SEC teams. They are different kinds of players and Scourton may even get more reps on the rushing downs but I can see Princely getting more sacks.

I agree. I think Umanmielen will end up being the better pass rusher.

[kungfoodude]

11 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm not a big fan of the sack statistic over actually being disruptive. Burns showed us that. Yeah, he'd get sacks, but he wasn't a consistent disruptive force on the edge. I'd rather see 0 sacks and causing problems on drop back half of the time. 

Actually the biggest criticism of Burns was usually that he generated lots of pressures(top 10 more than once) but he was rarely able to finish.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Actually the biggest criticism of Burns was usually that he generated lots of pressures(top 10 more than once) but he was rarely able to finish.

Yea Burns shed enough blocks to be a 15+ sack a year guy, but he whiffs the QB at least once a week.

[carpanfan96]

48 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Actually the biggest criticism of Burns was usually that he generated lots of pressures(top 10 more than once) but he was rarely able to finish.

He was consistently top ten in pressures and win rate on pass rushes. Just doesn't get sacks. Lol

[carpanfan96]

I like Scourton's chance of being on the field for 3 downs as the strong side OLB. He's the starter there now and it's his job to win/lose leaving camp. Umanmielen has to get past both Patrick Jones and Wonum to even see the field. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

I like Scourton's chance of being on the field for 3 downs as the strong side OLB. He's the starter there now and it's his job to win/lose leaving camp. Umanmielen has to get past both Patrick Jones and Wonum to even see the field. 

I don't think Jones and Wonnum are gonna exactly be stiff competition. If he can't beat those guys, he isn't likely to be ready to play.

[poorboysrev]

21 hours ago, jb2288 said:

Apparently the weight stuff was a little over blown but that being said A&M obviously had no idea how to use d line and going from Purdue to SEC is a big jump. I wouldn’t expect 6+ sacks this year and that’s ok. He’s super young and will keep improving 

Right on… yeah I expect it to be somewhere in between there 6-9

[Tomcatn]

has Scourton signed yet?

[panthers55]

Sacks are a function of the scheme you run and the quality of your pass defense. Many sacks are coverage sacks because your secondary stopped the short pass and gave your rushers time to get to the quarterback. One gap schemes generate more sacks from your d- line while 2 gap schemes tend to concentrate sacks on linebackers and blitzers. So how successful any of our D line will be will depend on Evero's scheme. If we rush three again and no blitzes we won't be getting sacks.  If we use more press coverage and start 6 guys on the line and confuse the blocking assignments and use more blitzes, stunts and overloads Brown and company could feast. Guys will get more work as they learn the system and playing time as they produce on the field.

[ImfromClayton]

The combo of scourton and derrick brown is going to be difficult for defenses to account for. We should have a lot of free running linebackers able to make plays in the run game. 

[carpanfan96]

18 hours ago, ImfromClayton said:

The combo of scourton and derrick brown is going to be difficult for defenses to account for. We should have a lot of free running linebackers able to make plays in the run game. 

Scourton is an OLB / edge in the Panthers 3-4 scheme. 

[ImfromClayton]

2 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

Scourton is an OLB / edge in the Panthers 3-4 scheme. 

Yes, but he's a run stuffing edge. Which is something we've been lacking for while. I'm just saying the combo of him and derrick brown is going to be a lot for offenses to account for in the run game. 

[Navy_football]

Should get plenty of push up the middle with Derrick, Ashawn and Bobby B. That makes an Edge's job much easier since QB's don't have a pocket to step up in. Couple that with a few A gap blitzes with LBs and Safeties, and QBs should be flushed out like Duck Hunt.