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Well, the Niners just doomed themselves to mediocrity

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Brock Purdy contract details: 49ers quarterback signs $265 million extension to become one of NFL's highest-paid QBs

You cannot pay good QBs like elite franchise QBs. It's an absolute cap anchor. Hopefully they have a year, maybe two left in their current window because when they have to start making tough decisions to accommodate Purdy's cap hit they're cooked.

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He's way overrated. $181 million guaranteed...

This is what concerns me with the Panthers. If the people remaining here who have the most at stake to end up being "right" about the pick - Morgan/Tepper) see "just enough" (🤏) improvement to convince themselves Bryce is a franchise QB going forward we seek to sign him to an early extension and just end up in QB purgatory.

Such is why I am hoping for a year of outright elite level QB play from our first overall pick. Slam the door shut and we can all feel relieved.

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Just wait till we do the same thing with Bryce, if a team re-signs their QB, they are always at the top of the market, there is no chance we re-sign him for anything less than $50 million.

And while I still won’t root for Bryce to fail, I don’t think he’ll ever be worth paying him that kind of money so I almost hope he does fail to just save ourselves from doing that.

We’re in a lose-lose situation unless he shocks the world and shows to be a legit Top 10 QB, and I don’t see that happening.

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7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Just wait till we do the same thing with Bryce, if a team re-signs their QB, they are always at the top of the market, there is no chance we re-sign him for anything less than $50 million.

And while I still won’t root for Bryce to fail, I don’t think he’ll ever be worth paying him that kind of money so I almost hope he does fail to just save ourselves from doing that.

We’re in a lose-lose situation unless he shocks the world and shows to be a legit Top 10 QB, and I don’t see that happening.

Purdy's stats last year:

65.9% completion rate (17th in the NFL)

3864 yards (10th)

20 TDs (tied for 15th)

12 INTs (tied for 4th most)

96.1 passer rating (13th)

They just paid a total JAG starter like he's an MVP caliber QB.

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33 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Brock Purdy contract details: 49ers quarterback signs $265 million extension to become one of NFL's highest-paid QBs

You cannot pay good QBs like elite franchise QBs. It's an absolute cap anchor. Hopefully they have a year, maybe two left in their current window because when they have to start making tough decisions to accommodate Purdy's cap hit they're cooked.

They are already starting to have to make moves and re-tool. TBD if that will be successful or not.

I will say, all things considered, this isn't a terrible contract. Way better than I was expecting it to be. Would have been better around $45-50 mil AAV.

Curious to see the structure.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Purdy's stats last year:

65.9% completion rate (17th in the NFL)

3864 yards (10th)

20 TDs (tied for 15th)

12 INTs (tied for 4th most)

96.1 passer rating (13th)

They just paid a total JAG starter like he's an MVP caliber QB.

I think Purdy has earned JAG+ status. Debatable 2nd or 3rd tier guy.

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4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Purdy's stats last year:

65.9% completion rate (17th in the NFL)

3864 yards (10th)

20 TDs (tied for 15th)

12 INTs (tied for 4th most)

96.1 passer rating (13th)

They just paid a total JAG starter like he's an MVP caliber QB.

Exactly, and I know I’ve been one of the more vocal anti-Bryce people, but for me it’s literally not even about him or what I think of him.

If you don’t have a legit Top 10 QB, you’re so much better off just signing a vet for 20-30 million for a couple seasons while trying to find a new QB in the draft and hope you hit.  But spending over $50 million a season on a QB who doesn’t have the ability to drag inferior talent to the playoffs is a terrible idea because you then struggle to build a good enough team around them that is needed to contend with that type of QB.

Hell, if anything maybe the best case scenario is Bryce just looks serviceable again next year, so we get him to agree to like $35 million a year extension and then he blows up in year 4 and we have a bargain for a few more years.

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He is a game manager--average.   Unless you have a Mahommes or Allen or Burrow--trade your starting qb and draft one. I could pour the money in my defense and OL and draft a promising young QB.  Wow.

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43 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I mean he's above average.  It's just that above average isn't going to get you anywhere when above average demands 50% of the cap or whatever.

Yeah, I mean Goff is a 2nd tier QB too. Odds are he will never see Superb Owl success either.

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2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Purdy's stats last year:

65.9% completion rate (17th in the NFL)

3864 yards (10th)

20 TDs (tied for 15th)

12 INTs (tied for 4th most)

96.1 passer rating (13th)

They just paid a total JAG starter like he's an MVP caliber QB.

They paid him because of his stats since he became a starter. He's first in YPA, 4th in Yards, 4th in TD's and first in QBR. 

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