Well, the Niners just doomed themselves to mediocrity

[45catfan]

32 minutes ago, csx said:

The Panthers got more out of him than anyone. Samual just wasn't or isn't a great player. He's a decent player. You say "we" but it's like 4 coaching staffs.

One of out all time greats was a tweener.

Clarification--drafted as a 'tweener and pretty quickly settled in as a LB. As mentioned earlier, TD couldn't handle both roles, so we stuck him at LB.  I think with the right coaching he could have done both roles, but we stuck him where we thought he would fit best for the long haul and that wasn't at safety.

[Basbear]

On 5/19/2025 at 7:09 PM, csx said:

The Panthers got more out of him than anyone. Samual just wasn't or isn't a great player. He's a decent player. You say "we" but it's like 4 coaching staffs.

One of out all time greats was a tweener.

I believe his best season was the contract year, the classic. 

I think the coaching staff did play a big role, Samuel needed one of the top talents to unlock his potential. The constant ratio of new coaches helps no one, especially players that need more attention on how to be used. 

[Shocker]

On 5/19/2025 at 11:52 AM, fanpanther said:

a healthy aiyuc would start over theilen, but jennings hasnt shown much he was forced to be the starter the majority of the year last year with a horrible defense and never eclipsed 100yards in a game.  When theilen was healthy he outproduced jennings on a per game basis with worse qb play.  Like I said all opinions but I havnt seen anything out of him to say he is anything more than a third wr, maybe a 2nd if the other options are bad.  his career stats pretty much support that he has never been anywhere near ATs better years.  

You should probably quit while you are far behind here.  The 49ers had better everything than us last year.  Stop smoking crack 

[fanpanther]

13 hours ago, Shocker said:

You should probably quit while you are far behind here.  The 49ers had better everything than us last year.  Stop smoking crack 

We had the better ranked oline, we had a way better rb, they had a way better TE, and qb, WRs really dependent on opinions i could see how most would go 49ers.  To say they had way better everything is just wrong though. 

[fanpanther]

14 hours ago, Basbear said:

I believe his best season was the contract year, the classic. 

I think the coaching staff did play a big role, Samuel needed one of the top talents to unlock his potential. The constant ratio of new coaches helps no one, especially players that need more attention on how to be used. 

I was wrong on Samuel I expected him to leave the pantehrs and be a probowler but didnt do much with buffalo or wash.  Not sure if injuries hit him or if he just wasnt that good.  I remember some stat about him always getting the most seperation but who knows . 

[Proudiddy]

Idk man, maybe I’m in the minority, but Purdy is a damn good QB.  He’s part of the solution for them.  Not the problem.  They would’ve already won a Super Bowl if they could’ve kept their team healthy.  There are games where Purdy just gets in a zone and makes incredible play after play.  I think he is elite, people just don’t want to give him credit for it because he doesn’t have the look or the pedigree.

[PandaPancake]

Oh no! I feel so bad for them.

[TD alt]

1 hour ago, Proudiddy said:

Idk man, maybe I’m in the minority, but Purdy is a damn good QB.  He’s part of the solution for them.  Not the problem.  They would’ve already won a Super Bowl if they could’ve kept their team healthy.  There are games where Purdy just gets in a zone and makes incredible play after play.  I think he is elite, people just don’t want to give him credit for it because he doesn’t have the look or the pedigree.

You'd think that after his Super Bowl performance all that talk would've died, but I guess that it's super easy to hold on to draft position bias.

[frankw]

2 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Idk man, maybe I’m in the minority, but Purdy is a damn good QB.  He’s part of the solution for them.  Not the problem.  They would’ve already won a Super Bowl if they could’ve kept their team healthy.  There are games where Purdy just gets in a zone and makes incredible play after play.  I think he is elite, people just don’t want to give him credit for it because he doesn’t have the look or the pedigree.

 

19 minutes ago, TD alt said:

You'd think that after his Super Bowl performance all that talk would've died, but I guess that it's super easy to hold on to draft position bias.

The best things Purdy has are certainly important tools for any QB. His accuracy his timing his decision making etc. I feel like he is a high end Teddy Bridgewater. You can compete and win in the regular season with this especially in a weakened NFC but where his limitations come into focus is when you are trying to contend for a Super Bowl you are going against elite and in some instances generational QB's like Mahomes. And when the time has come for him to go up against Mahomes he simply can't get it done. Now certainly he is not alone in that regard and people will point to another highly regarded QB such as Josh Allen who also cannot get by Mahomes. But the difference I see is Allen is not IMO at a phsyical disadvantage in that matchup whereas Purdy is. And that is with what had been to this point a comically stacked roster around Purdy and let's be clear we cannot understate that regardless of which side of the fence we land on in this debate. Purdy has had a top 5 roster and a top 5 coach. And the last time they went to the Super Bowl they leaned on McCaffrey extremely heavily. Now with what they are having to pay him and divert limited resources elsewhere they face a steep climb to get back to the Super Bowl let alone actually win it.

Edited May 21 by frankw

[Basbear]

2 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Idk man, maybe I’m in the minority, but Purdy is a damn good QB.  He’s part of the solution for them.  Not the problem.  They would’ve already won a Super Bowl if they could’ve kept their team healthy.  There are games where Purdy just gets in a zone and makes incredible play after play.  I think he is elite, people just don’t want to give him credit for it because he doesn’t have the look or the pedigree.

Im with you frend!! I've been Pro- purdy for years and gone rounds with @LinvilleGorge on it...BTW he is the matt rhule of QB opinions, love you LG!!

 

*BUT* if you read that link I post.......Purdy himself stated he throws to a spot 40% of the time, that is self-incriminating damaging evidence.... I still need to think about it, I do not believe if I agree with my pre-40% blind throws self. 

I had him as the 8th-11th best QB, now I don't know...

[LinvilleGorge]

Time will tell. I think he's a mid-tier starter. And I don't think it's wise to pay mid-tier starter the money that mid-tier starters make and deal with those cap ramifications. We'll see how it plays out for them.