The Franchise guy Panthers 2025 deep dive overview

[micnificent28]

I don't think you could ask for a more thorough look at each and every aspect of the Panthers. Personally I think it's the most in depth Look at our franchise by any media aspect ever. Really deep look at almost anything you can ask for.. I love this guy. Nothing but pure Panthers glory and knowledge from someone who attended the games and knows ball.

I mean the guy goes on for like 2 hours. Kuddos to this man who temporarily lives in Charlotte last year and says the Panthers are his second team and home.

 

Edited yesterday at 04:55 PM by micnificent28

[BrianS]

It's a very floor level ranking, yes.  I think the big takeaway is that he believes we need a lot of young players to step up in order to really make any ground up.

He's not wrong.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

Thanks for sharing.  I haven’t gotten all the way through but it seems very in depth. I don’t know much about this guy but like the fact that he is high on the panthers and optimistic but did not let that really play into his rankings.  I think 28 is a good stake in the ground. I would question the credibility of anyone ranking this team higher than 24/25. 

[Carolina Cajun]

2 hours ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

Thanks for sharing.  I haven’t gotten all the way through but it seems very in depth. I don’t know much about this guy but like the fact that he is high on the panthers and optimistic but did not let that really play into his rankings.  I think 28 is a good stake in the ground. I would question the credibility of anyone ranking this team higher than 24/25. 

I kinda skimmed the video, I do kinda believe 28 is preeeettty low for the panthers, I mean, Basically saying we're the 5th worst team in the league when we were the 8th last year and meanwhile having an upgraded roster (and an easier schedule) almost top to bottom is kinda a meh take.  Now us between 22-26, I can see it, but this is a roster with more defensive talent, more offensive depth, and more seasoned coaching, base-line I'd say is for us to essentially stay where we were last year.

[micnificent28]

2 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

I kinda skimmed the video, I do kinda believe 28 is preeeettty low for the panthers, I mean, Basically saying we're the 5th worst team in the league when we were the 8th last year and meanwhile having an upgraded roster (and an easier schedule) almost top to bottom is kinda a meh take.  Now us between 22-26, I can see it, but this is a roster with more defensive talent, more offensive depth, and more seasoned coaching, base-line I'd say is for us to essentially stay where we were last year.

I think he said 26 or higher is possible if we sign say Alexander or Ramsey and shore up the secondary.

[PootieNunu]

TE says lost N/A, Does he not realize we lost THE Ian Thomas?

[Pejorative Miscreant]

56 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

TE says lost N/A, Does he not realize we lost THE Ian Thomas?

Good point.  Should have bumped us to 27 for that alone. 

[Carolina Cajun]

6 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I think he said 26 or higher is possible if we sign say Alexander or Ramsey and shore up the secondary.

Biiiiiig eyeroll on this.  First, Look at historical stats of the most recent historical great DBs.  I plucked 3, Revis, Sherman, and Norman (cuzz he was our guy).  Combined post age 30, there are TWO pro bowls between those 3 and wanna get this...ZERO seasons with 16 games started.  ALL missed time.  It is RARE that Corners survive that long in the NFL and its about time we started recognizing this fact.  Jaycee is a good bet because it hasnt been anything seriously devastating injury wise, and with his sample size he could and should be an incredible piece for the panthers through age 30.

Jaire kinda flops on the other side, hes 28...so hes under 30, but he wants his payday before it comes up, hes also been injury prone lately.  Bulk of the contract will be on opposite side of 30.  Will both of these guys help us be better in 2026?  SURE!  No doubt, but the question is, will these guys help us past 2026...not sure. The investment isnt worth the risk, nor would the ROI be anywhere close to worth it.  Neither guy is moving us from a 6-8 win team to a 8-10 team, period.

My point is we're in this state a 6-8 win team IMO and he projects us as  a 4-6 win team.  EVEN if we think Jaire or Ramsey will make us a 6-8 win team, it in NO WAY is worth the money or capital to move that much just to suck kinda less.  

[MHS831]

His points are valid.  However, it seems a bit based on past performance and fails to take into consideration trends and conditions that might suggest growth in 2025.  

For one, he breaks the team down by position and ranks them separately.  I guess that is a fair way to do it, but they are dependent upon each other. Last year, our DL sucked.  That impacts the rest of the defense.  With no internal pressure, the QBs simply step up to avoid the Edge rush.  I would have suggested that the internal DL is now featuring pass rushers and large people who can collapse the pocket.  Secondly, the LBs were not protected very well in 2024.  It is hard to see the holes and step up when a guard is in your earhole a second after the snap.  Finally, the defensive backs will be forced to make fewer tackles and they will be better in pass protection with a new and improved DL.   

Canales made an interesting comment the other day, and I (from the outside looking in) feel the same way:  (paraphrasing) "I have never seen a better group of rookies."  

I think the biggest concern is the learning curve.  How long before these rookies are ready?  

I am bullish on this team.  I think they win 3 of their first 4 and get confident.  The get the fans behind them.  From there, they win 6 of the remaining 13.  If they stay injury free, they have an outside shot at the NFC south.   

 

[Pejorative Miscreant]

49 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

His points are valid.  However, it seems a bit based on past performance and fails to take into consideration trends and conditions that might suggest growth in 2025.  

For one, he breaks the team down by position and ranks them separately.  I guess that is a fair way to do it, but they are dependent upon each other. Last year, our DL sucked.  That impacts the rest of the defense.  With no internal pressure, the QBs simply step up to avoid the Edge rush.  I would have suggested that the internal DL is now featuring pass rushers and large people who can collapse the pocket.  Secondly, the LBs were not protected very well in 2024.  It is hard to see the holes and step up when a guard is in your earhole a second after the snap.  Finally, the defensive backs will be forced to make fewer tackles and they will be better in pass protection with a new and improved DL.   

Canales made an interesting comment the other day, and I (from the outside looking in) feel the same way:  (paraphrasing) "I have never seen a better group of rookies."  

I think the biggest concern is the learning curve.  How long before these rookies are ready?  

I am bullish on this team.  I think they win 3 of their first 4 and get confident.  The get the fans behind them.  From there, they win 6 of the remaining 13.  If they stay injury free, they have an outside shot at the NFC south.   

 

Good post.  Definitely appeared to me as it was based on past performance and I was ok with that. His tone seemed to be bullish as well but the team ended up at 28 as a starting point. I personally don’t think they finish here but in my mind this is the right realm for preseason rankings.  I think the team has a lot to prove.  How fast can the rookies get up to speed, can the 2nd year players make the jump (coaching, player development), can DB come back to form from the injury, etc…

 

 

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

Good post.  Definitely appeared to me as it was based on past performance and I was ok with that. His tone seemed to be bullish as well but the team ended up at 28 as a starting point. I personally don’t think they finish here but in my mind this is the right realm for preseason rankings.  I think the team has a lot to prove.  How fast can the rookies get up to speed, can the 2nd year players make the jump (coaching, player development), can DB come back to form from the injury, etc…

 

 

The nfl gave us a nice schedule for the first 4 games.   So hopefully we take advantage of it.   

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

Good post.  Definitely appeared to me as it was based on past performance and I was ok with that. His tone seemed to be bullish as well but the team ended up at 28 as a starting point. I personally don’t think they finish here but in my mind this is the right realm for preseason rankings.  I think the team has a lot to prove.  How fast can the rookies get up to speed, can the 2nd year players make the jump (coaching, player development), can DB come back to form from the injury, etc…

 

 

I am confident, barring injuries.  We get injured during pre-game introductions.  

[PNW_PantherMan]

16 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

TE says lost N/A, Does he not realize we lost THE Ian Thomas?

Yeah like he said.  N/A.

[WhoKnows]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I am confident, barring injuries.  We get injured during pre-game introductions.  

Probably one of the biggest reasons the hopium in here goes bad so quickly. The optimists forget that we need the young guys to step up just to have a better starting lineup. Then you throw in our lack of quality depth in with some injuries and you get the 2-5 win Panthers. Brown hurt for the year and we are a historically bad defense. We have so many vulnerable spots where 1 or 2 injuries would turn that spot from OK to terrible. Injuries happen and Fitterer suck so bad that he not only didn’t get quality starters, he shredded our depth.