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[Mina Kimes Show] The offensive trends taking over the NFL

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's the other thing. With the way these QB contracts are going unless you have an elite MVP caliber tier QB you're honestly better off building an offense that is geared to revolve around establishing the run and leaning on play action to setup the pass than you are to pa my some mid to lower tier starter a huge chunk of your salary cap. Let somebody else pay that guy and draft another one.

Yeah, it's a tough spot. Not too many teams in the last 30 years have won without an elite QB. It's a tough hill to climb but QB purgatory is worse.

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8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's the other thing. With the way these QB contracts are going unless you have an elite MVP caliber tier QB you're honestly better off building an offense that is geared to revolve around establishing the run and leaning on play action to setup the pass than you are to pa my some mid to lower tier starter a huge chunk of your salary cap. Let somebody else pay that guy and draft another one.

Yeah just be the Eagles.  Pay your young QB a questionable extension earlier into his rookie deal and then sign the highest priced free agent RB.  I think that's why I filtered them from my mental models of teams that work, because that's not a model you can repeat.  But I guess neither is having Pat Mahomes.

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27 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep, you're better off needing a QB than you are financially shackled to a mediocre one.

Yeah, it's a tough spot to be in. There are no sure answers. You can suck wind and end up with Bryce or Sam Darnold. But sometimes you get Josh Allen or Joe Burrow.

Or you can just keep trying to win and end up drafting Kenny Pickett or Dwayne Haskins. But, you could also get Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson.

Ultimately, I think you can't really "plan" for trying to get an elite QB or force it. Frankly, that is part of why we are in the spot we are in at the moment.

You just do what you can to build a winner and hope your structure and evaluations end up with the QB that can either be truly elite or be the outlier that pushes you across the ultimate goal line of raising that trophy. 

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5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, it's a tough spot to be in. There are no sure answers. You can suck wind and end up with Bryce or Sam Darnold. But sometimes you get Josh Allen or Joe Burrow.

Or you can just keep trying to win and end up drafting Kenny Pickett or Dwayne Haskins. But, you could also get Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson.

Ultimately, I think you can't really "plan" for trying to get an elite QB or force it. Frankly, that ia part of why we are in the spot we are in at the moment.

You just do what you can to build a winner and hope your structure and evaluations end up with the QB that can either be truly elite or be the outlier that pushes you across the ultimate goal line of raising that trophy. 

Yep, you got a be flexible and you gotta be honest about your player evaluations. Yeah, you take what many considered to generational QB prospect in Trevor Lawrence but you can't turn around and pay him like a high tier franchise QB after a few years of mediocre play. That Marty Hurney approach of "let's pay him like he's elite and then maybe he'll start playing like it" almost never works out.

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Yep, you got a be flexible and you gotta be honest about your player evaluations. Yeah, you take what many considered to generational QB prospect in Trevor Lawrence but you can't turn around and pay him like a high tier franchise QB after a few years of mediocre play. That Marty Hurney approach of "let's pay him like he's elite and then maybe he'll start playing like it" almost never works out.

Or Goff or Purdy or Dak or.....it's the era of doing this. You just gotta hope you aren't one.

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It's exciting because , running the ball and stopping the run, putting pressure on the QB have stood the test of time.  If Bryce and offense can operate efficiently we should be in good shape.  My only concern still is the secondary depth and ability to cover. 

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