If running to pass really works we got market cornered!!!

[ECHornet]

20 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, we flat out need more out of Bryce and the receivers, period. The "new and improved" Bryce post-benching needs to be his new floor not the ceiling. Chuba did his part last year. Granted we had no depth behind him to help carry the load. That didn't help.

I don’t think there are more than 4 QBs who could have had a successful season with our weapons last year. A slowing but reliable vet in Theilen, a locker room cancer for a few games in Johnson, two rookies with potential, and a rookie at TE too. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, ECHornet said:

I don’t think there are more than 4 QBs who could have had a successful season with our weapons last year. A slowing but reliable vet in Theilen, a locker room cancer for a few games in Johnson, two rookies with potential, and a rookie at TE too. 

When you make the trade deal that we made for Bryce, you're making that deal because you're betting that he's one of those guys.

[PantherChris]

22 hours ago, frankw said:

Chuba had just shy of 1200 rushing yards and we were still 30th in passing yards per game. The opposing defense has to fear your passer for this to come to fruition.

Ehhhh gonna have to say the worst defense in NFL history also had somthing to do with it....

We didn't run much late in games....

Although I do agree to an extent, I'll just say it's hard to run the ball when your down 20 by the mid 2nd every week.

[frankw]

Just now, PantherChris said:

Ehhhh gonna have to say the worst defense in NFL history also had somthing to do with it....

We didn't run much late in games....

Although I do agree to an extent, I'll just say it's hard to run the ball when your down 20 by the mid 2nd every week.

The defense being terrible and the opposing defense not fearing our passing attack went hand in hand in that respect unfortunately. Until we can establish a stout passing game it will be the same recipe from opposing defenses again this year.

[PantherChris]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

The defense being terrible and the opposing defense not fearing our passing attack went hand in hand in that respect unfortunately. Until we can establish a stout passing game it will be the same recipe from opposing defenses again this year.

Again not really disagreeing just pointing out that offenses that couldn't score 10 the week before us were dropping 21 by the mid second quarters..... no qb is changing that.

Like I said in the other thread this season depends on the oline in my book if the oline can protect Bryce especially early in the year so his confidence stays high i believe later in the year even when he's not getting great protection he will make plays.

[csx]

8 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Ehhhh gonna have to say the worst defense in NFL history also had somthing to do with it....

We didn't run much late in games....

Although I do agree to an extent, I'll just say it's hard to run the ball when your down 20 by the mid 2nd every week.

No need to exaggerate. We weren't down by 20 in the second every game. Maybe twice

Edited August 6 by csx

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Again not really disagreeing just pointing out that offenses that couldn't score 10 the week before us were dropping 21 by the mid second quarters..... no qb is changing that.

Like I said in the other thread this season depends on the oline in my book if the oline can protect Bryce especially early in the year so his confidence stays high i believe later in the year even when he's not getting great protection he will make plays.

Right I think we are mostly on the same page. But we got obliterated in the first game of the season by a bad Saints team who is now the laughingstock of the division. QB play was a direct part of that as much as the defense unfortunately. We're all hoping the second half of the season Bryce is the real Bryce. That's what it boils down to on the field.

Edited August 6 by frankw

[PantherChris]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

Right I think we are mostly on the same page. But we got obliterated in the first game of the season by a bad Saints team who is now the laughingstock of the division. QB play was a direct part of that as much as the defense unfortunately. We're all hoping the second half of the season Bryce is the real Bryce. That's what it boils down to on the field.

Eeehhh we are hoping he is better than last years second half, tbh trying to be objective i find it hard to believe any QB would be successful with what he dealt with his first two years. Honestly no matter what I dont think he will be as bad as the beginning of last year dude was derrick carr'ed... beyond that anything is possible IMO.

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Eeehhh we are hoping he is better than last years second half, tbh trying to be objective i find it hard to believe any QB would be successful with what he dealt with his first two years. Honestly no matter what I dont think he will be as bad as the beginning of last year dude was derrick carr'ed... beyond that anything is possible IMO.

I mean in terms of that being his floor as opposed to his ceiling. 

We can argue about what this QB or that QB would have done and rehash the same talking points. But at the end of the day the second overall pick from that draft has two playoff wins under his belt already. Fair or not the onus is on our #1 pick to show up and put the division and the league on notice. That's what he was drafted for.

[PantherChris]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

I mean in terms of that being his floor as opposed to his ceiling. 

We can argue about what this QB or that QB would have done and rehash the same talking points. But at the end of the day the second overall pick from that draft has two playoff wins under his belt already. Fair or not the onus is on our #1 pick to show up and put the division and the league on notice. That's what he was drafted for.

Not disagreeing just being objective, as far as we don't know what to expect. 

He looked a lot closer to what we thought we drafted IMO.

 

This year is make or break 

[UnluckyforSome]

The risk in making statements such as no qb could have flourished with those skill players, is what will be the reason now if there are struggles? 

Honestly, given the assumed state of the division, we should sweep the Saints and at minimum split with Falcons and Bucs. A 4-2 division record should be very much an expectation. At the very least. We should be improved to that point.

But there is a reason why they play the games, footballs bounce funny, and rookies have a way of hitting a wall, and sophomore slumps do exist.

[PantherChris]

1 hour ago, csx said:

No need to exaggerate. We weren't down by 20 in the second every game. Maybe twice

4 times, however they trailed by 14 or more 13 times....

[panthers55]

Our backfield is finally got the potential to be top 10 surely more likely top 5. Everything suggests that you should have a strong running game to complement your passing game but it isn't running backs that determine that as much as your offensive line. How many years did we go with a mediocre line and then wonder why we gave up so many sacks and were persistent running the ball but not that successful. Getting better at play action and using backs in the passing game as well as running game should make Bryce's job much easier to distribute the ball and get YAC instead of threading the needle.

[CRA]

20 hours ago, PantherChris said:

4 times, however they trailed by 14 or more 13 times....

Panthers really got to get better on 3rd down.  If you take a weak D.....and then your O can't stay on the field.  It's going to be a really really bad D. 

Carolina was horrible on 3rd down and the O was 31st in TOP.   They Oput a bad D on the field over and over. 

I don't put that all on Bryce.  We need O skill guys that actually can do something with the ball in their hands.  YAC play hasn't existed in Carolina.   But that's also the Canales/Bryce conundrum.  Canales is largely from a chunk play passing tree.  Bryce best suits a YAC small game.   And before anyone says it, yes, you have to do everything to some degree in any offense.  But the key pieces aren't really natural fits.  Obviously there is adjusting but it's sort of forced adjusting IMO