Panthers playbook Cox and Rhea review of the game

[jb2288]

2 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Evidently that's the only thing that matters... it's hysterical 

I've been going to NFL games at BOA for 20+ years now. I've seen a lot of good football and bad football.

I was at every game in 2015. And 2023. I seen the very best this team has had to offer offensively as well as the worst.

That 2nd drive by our offense was effing elite. I dont know in what world that should be debatable. 

I genuinely don't know what some of these people actually even want from these games or what they're even seeing... its not the same reality I'm viewing

Honestly I think it's a by product of our best player and seasons being with Cam. Cam was a physical specimen and a great QB who could flick the ball 65 yards and I will forever miss him. It's probably fair to think a lot of fans who weren't around in the early 2000s (or just forgot) feel that is the only way to win, but that just isn't factual. In fact, if you look at the records it's quite rare. 

[Camp Fodder]

2 hours ago, TD alt said:

Where are the CliffNotes---the link? 

I think Morgan has done a decent job on paper---in theory. It's still too early for me to say anything with conviction. We think we think we think...We'll find out.

I'm just not sold...yet. Most of these players may make the team, but will they be impactful players or simply average guys that will wash out in four years? I'm not inclined at this point to be so optimistic. The only thing that I can say with surety is that Morgan has raised the floor to an unknown degree. Is it with legit starter level guys? Maybe. Like I said, "good on paper---in theory. I'll be patient.

The only move that I can say that I didn't like in hindsight (but I raised an eyebrow over when it happened) was drafting Brooks in the second. We lost an opportunity to draft an impactful LB or DB, when we already had Chuba (which I thought of more highly than most and said so). 

I think that patience is in order. I realize some of you believe that Tepper's the same old impatient owner, but I don't see Morgan going anywhere for at least more seasons. By then, we'll have more clarity about the efficacy of his draftees. I appreciate his efforts.

Agreed and then we drafted another RB fairly high in the 4th this year. I would have rather drafted another QB than a 3rd string RB. Andy Dalton is washed and Plummer is not an NFL QB

[CRA]

11 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

Evidently that's the only thing that matters... it's hysterical 

I've been going to NFL games at BOA for 20+ years now. I've seen a lot of good football and bad football.

I was at every game in 2015. And 2023. I seen the very best this team has had to offer offensively as well as the worst.

That 2nd drive by our offense was effing elite. I dont know in what world that should be debatable. 

I genuinely don't know what some of these people actually even want from these games or what they're even seeing... its not the same reality I'm viewing

It’s not the only thing that matters.  YAC isn’t all that matters.  Being able to get vertical annd bust an D open isn’t all that matters.  But when you start adding up all the things you can’t do…..you end up with a weak pass O that doesn’t scare anyone (and that becomes your good).   We couldn’t do either last year and thus far haven’t shown we can now 

and there is nothing elite about a driving the field once against backups and their backups on a team that won 3 games last year after getting embarrassed the drive prior….and it taking a 3rd down play breaking down to finally get it in. 

Carolina good, elite and electric are unique definitions to Carolina (the worst pro team in all of sports under Tepper).  

 

[Seltzer]

2 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

Honestly I think it's a by product of our best player and seasons being with Cam. Cam was a physical specimen and a great QB who could flick the ball 65 yards and I will forever miss him. It's probably fair to think a lot of fans who weren't around in the early 2000s (or just forgot) feel that is the only way to win, but that just isn't factual. In fact, if you look at the records it's quite rare. 

Look, I love Cam and always will. Look at my avatar.

But it's wild how many people continue to goalpost shift with Bryce.

If you want him to fail, cool. Pick another team until he's gone.

But I think it's going to be longer than you think.

You're right that Bryce isn't Cam in any physical sense, and thats more than enough for some people to write him off no matter what.

But he's a much better QB than some of you people think.

For all the things Bryce can't do that Cam could, throwing with anticipation wasnt Cam's thing. He got away with being late early in his career bc of his rocket arm, and he developed into one of the best deep throwers in the league in his prime, but he has never had the touch or anticipation Bryce does.

That end zone throw to T-Mac last night was anticipation on a level most QBs, even NFL ones, ever get to.

The fact that some on this board are trying to dog that throw shows where the agenda truly lies

[frankw]

The way Bryce handled the second drive was very relieving to see and he navigated the pocket well most importantly in the redzone. But in the grand scheme of things with the rest of the game one drive is just that. They went 1 for 2. The starting offense is going to get at least 3 more in the coming week. Need to make all of them count for something.

Edited Saturday at 09:39 PM by frankw

[Seltzer]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

It’s not the only thing that matters.  YAC isn’t all that matters.  Being able to get vertical annd bust an D open isn’t all that matters.  But when you start adding up all the things you can’t do…..you end up with a weak pass O that doesn’t scare anyone (and that becomes your good).   We couldn’t do either last year and thus far haven’t shown we can now 

and there is nothing elite about a driving the field once against backups and their backups on a team that won 3 games last year after getting embarrassed the drive prior….and it taking a 3rd down play breaking down to finally get it in. 

Carolina good, elite and electric are unique definitions to Carolina (the worst pro team in all of sports under Tepper).  

 

My man, I wonder if your issues go beyond the field, b/c I'm doubtful your negativity is just about the product you saw last night, bc that objectively doesn't make any sense, at least to me. 

Are you really upset over 3rd stringers? 

Are you really not excited about T-Mac & Scourton?

With Corey Thornton we looked to have found 3 UDFA gems in the last 2 seasons (Coker, Richardson, & now Thornton).

Dan Morgan has done an admirable job in rebuilding a roster that Fitterer gutted.

This team is in a much better spot than last IMHO, and in an much, much better spot than 2 years ago. Im excited about that.

I've been in a great mood at day (granted my son kicked ass in his AAU tournament this morning also but still). I had a good time at the game last night (at least through the 3rd Quarter when I left), and I think we are going to surprise some people this year.

I hope you can have a great day too! A little optimism isn't going to hurt you I promise.

We aren't going to be bad forever. 

Im not sure how old you are, but Ive been around for all the magical seasons (1996, 2003, 2015). Another season like those will happen again, hopefully soon.

That being said, you are entitled to your opinion, and i hope you have a great day!

[Seltzer]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

The way Bryce handled the second drive was very relieving to see and he navigated the pocket well most importantly in the redzone. But in the grand scheme of things with the rest of the game one drive is just that. They went 1 for 2. The starting offense is going to get at least 3 more in the coming week. Need to make all of them count for something.

I'm very happy Canales has learned from last preseason and made the change.

I hope Bryce and Andy both get multiple series against the Texans, and i hope they play all their defenders.

Hopefully Dalton looks better next week.

He reminded me of Derek Anderson last night. He went from being a top backup to looking old & washed up real quick.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, Seltzer said:

WTF are you talking about??

That was an incredible throw. 

You dont know QB play if you think Bryce wasnt great on that 2nd drive.

That sideline fade to T-Mac, and both the end zone throws were elite AF.

I don't know what some of you guys are watching.

I guarantee you the football people reviewing this film will be plenty happy with what they saw from Bryce.

Good lord

Dart literally just had the same throw and lead his wr for a td.    Bryce had some good throws for sure but let's not act like other qbs can't do it.   But yeah the gl throw was cool to see and they will work the timing out

[frankw]

5 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

I'm very happy Canales has learned from last preseason and made the change.

I hope Bryce and Andy both get multiple series against the Texans, and i hope they play all their defenders.

Hopefully Dalton looks better next week.

He reminded me of Derek Anderson last night. He went from being a top backup to looking old & washed up real quick.

Canales has his hands full. I think the biggest test isn't going to be if he is or isn't successful reshaping the offense but navigating the entire team and staff. We can't dismiss the awful performance from our special teams and defensive depth. He's the head honcho. Need to see how he handles that going forward.

With Bryce it's wait and see. Andy at this point was a bad signing. He's a great guy but even if he plays better in the next one the writing is already on the wall. I would like to see the team pursue another low risk high reward young QB that isn't Jack Plummer as an insurance policy of sorts. It's a 17 game season any number of things can happen.

[Seltzer]

2 minutes ago, frankw said:

Canales has his hands full. I think the biggest test isn't going to be if he is or isn't successful reshaping the offense but navigating the entire team and staff. We can't dismiss the awful performance from our special teams and defensive depth. He's the head honcho. Need to see how he handles that going forward.

With Bryce it's wait and see. Andy at this point was a bad signing. He's a great guy but even if he plays better in the next one the writing is already on the wall. I would like to see the team pursue another low risk high reward young QB that isn't Jack Plummer as an insurance policy of sorts. It's a 17 game season any number of things can happen.

One thing I would say about special teams. I'm not defending the coverage units bc they were awful, but if you watch preseason highlights, there have been a lot of big ST plays.

Every team is having to adjust to the new kickoff rules.

I wouldn't worry too much yet, but it could definitely make or break our season.

ST (and Canales) has referenced it multiple times, will be bigger this year bc there will be more chances to make plays on kickoffs etc than in years past.

I did think Sam Martin did a great job hunting, and Matthew Wright put the ball where it needed to be.

Just awful coverage 

[TD alt]

@Seltzer, even if I concede that it was an "elite" drive, it's not like it was against an elite defense. It wasn't even against starters. Look, I'm not trying to take away from a good drive, but just try and keep things in perspective. I'm not ready to cape for anyone on the Panthers just yet. Consistency and being able to be halfway competitive are this season's goal, but the ultimate goal (just as important as winning  a "chip" to me) is to be consistently competitive and consistently elite most if not every season. 

[Tr3ach]

2 hours ago, jb2288 said:

We spent a first round pick on a YAC WR last year 

Hes the opposite of what I mean.   I mean a quick, shifty, route runner.  XL is none of those things.  In college he was a yac guy though,  but not really what I meant. 

[CRA]

3 hours ago, Seltzer said:

My man, I wonder if your issues go beyond the field, b/c I'm doubtful your negativity is just about the product you saw last night, bc that objectively doesn't make any sense, at least to me. 

Are you really upset over 3rd stringers? 

Are you really not excited about T-Mac & Scourton?

With Corey Thornton we looked to have found 3 UDFA gems in the last 2 seasons (Coker, Richardson, & now Thornton).

Dan Morgan has done an admirable job in rebuilding a roster that Fitterer gutted.

This team is in a much better spot than last IMHO, and in an much, much better spot than 2 years ago. Im excited about that.

I've been in a great mood at day (granted my son kicked ass in his AAU tournament this morning also but still). I had a good time at the game last night (at least through the 3rd Quarter when I left), and I think we are going to surprise some people this year.

I hope you can have a great day too! A little optimism isn't going to hurt you I promise.

We aren't going to be bad forever. 

Im not sure how old you are, but Ive been around for all the magical seasons (1996, 2003, 2015). Another season like those will happen again, hopefully soon.

That being said, you are entitled to your opinion, and i hope you have a great day!

lol.  I mean it’s the same stuff every year boss.  All the way down to what folks say when folks ain’t drinking the ole kool-aid. 

I still think worst org in ALL of pro sports still has a weak overall team.  

I don’t need the Panthers to be good.   I have been around for all the seasons too.  Probably only a super fan since 03 though.  Sports fandom is a nice fun healthy hobby in a world full of bad ones.  

The Carolina Panthers haven’t put me in a bad mood since I had kids and now I got them in high school.  Only bad play that really bothers me is my kids lol

If you want a list of what I am excited about in Carolina this year? Hunter Renfrow’s comeback (fingers crossed).  Coker.   Hubbard.  Derrick Brown.  Hoping for a rookie to surprise.  Don’t really care who.  I like Canales.  Hope he can survive long enough to actually see something get built the way he wants to play (not sure about that given Tepper).  Hopefully the weak division and schedule lets us flirt with .500.   And I’m still a believer in XL. Didn’t like that nonsense last night at all. 

[tukafan21]

12 hours ago, CRA said:

zero YAC from starters.  Still waiting for evidence we can be something other than a low ceiling offense (which is what the Dave O was).  

People tripping out over that TMac catch.  It’s was a great catch.  But essentially it is classic Panthers play under Bryce.  A go route opportunity.  Turned out to be fade to the sideline.  Threat of nothing after the catch.  Incomplete or catch given where the ball was placed.   

 

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, CRA said:

You can still throw a legit go route vs 2nd or 3rd stringers.   TMac should be able to go do that and should be testing that stuff out IMO.  

Im just saying in test it out world type game which….they didn’t really test much out.  Didn’t learn much. 

 

Throwing a go-route does nothing to help Bryce and T-Mac get on the same page with each other, as that's essentially just run as fast as you can and throw it as far as you can and hope he can get under it for the catch.

They can do that in practice all day and it's pretty much the equivalent to a preseason game.

But throwing the fade, to work on beating the defender, making a throw in live action to where only T-Mac has the chance to get it, that's something that isn't as easily replicated in a practice situation.

I think there will be plenty of times this year that T-Mac gets 1 on 1 coverage without safety help over the top and they audible at the line for a go-route with Bryce throwing a jump ball for T-Mac to go up and make the catch over the defender like he did countless times in college.  

But throwing the fade here in Week 1 of the pre-season was 100% the right decision for what we needed to get out of the game.