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[Aussie Tank]

More targets for your man 

[tukafan21]

3 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Nothing towards you, but I’ve seen this 50 times today and I think people forget what the wide receivers COACH is for. Ours played in the NFL 11 seasons and has been coaching for 20+. Canales was the WR coach in Seattle forever. I think we will be okay. 

People overestimate what coaches do.

It’s like you’ve never watched the sidelines during a game and see the players talking about what they’re seeing out there and giving each other pointers to play better.

Yes, coaches do some of that, but people are straight up sticking their heads in the sand if they think seasoned vets don’t impart wisdom onto younger players every day of the season.

[tukafan21]

13 hours ago, Khaki Lackey said:

What more could Thielen have taught XL and Coker after a full season and two preseasons? We'll be fine. At the very least, we'll have a really good idea where our WR corps is at the end of the season.

Yep, all NFL players learn everything they will need to know for their careers by the start of their 2nd season, they never learn and improve after that.

Oh, and if you’re a 1st round pick, you learn all that in the first couple months of the draft, so T-Mac is good for the rest of his career too.

Sorry Horn Jr, you’re just SOL I guess

[SmokinwithWilly]

10 hours ago, BEASTfromdaEAST said:

Bruh you either get that stuff or you don't.....you don't think everyone preaches that same stuff you talking at every camp around the country!?

I got respect AT but it's time to see what the young WR core can do. If you want a vet we got David Moore still BOOM 

THE David Moore !?!?! We're saved. I expect TMac to have 200 catches, 3k yards, 20 TDs and be uncoverable this year with all the information he can get from watching our HoF WR David Moore.  

 

 

[Khaki Lackey]

9 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Yep, all NFL players learn everything they will need to know for their careers by the start of their 2nd season, they never learn and improve after that.

Oh, and if you’re a 1st round pick, you learn all that in the first couple months of the draft, so T-Mac is good for the rest of his career too.

Sorry Horn Jr, you’re just SOL I guess

So how many years does a professional athlete need a grizzled old vet teaching him? Maybe we let Thielen go because there's litterally not a player old enough to mentor him.

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, Khaki Lackey said:

So how many years does a professional athlete need a grizzled old vet teaching him? Maybe we let Thielen go because there's litterally not a player old enough to mentor him.

Never, and it doesn't have to be an old grizzled vet, sometimes a vet can learn something from a young player too.  

Do you not see players talking to each other between plays, quarters, on the bench, wherever, in EVERY sport?

It's what players do, especially the great ones, they're always working on their craft and learning tips from others to better themselves.  

So when your entire receiving room outside of one player, who has mostly played special teams in his career, has played 1 season or less in the NFL, it's not a lot of experience there in the locker room and on the sideline and is a tad concerning in regards to the proper growth of all these young WRs with great potential.

[CarolinaReaper]

since this a Thielen thread, here's my 2 cents....Mentoring is one thing, but could there've been bad advice also. Not saying he purposely told Young bad advice but not all advice is good. Look at that Raiders game, before that Thielen was clearly upset with Young(hence his benching) but Thielen got hurt, Young came back better. N we really didn't beat the Raiders(they beat themselves, there was a bit of anarchy going on remember, D.Adams perform a coup) 

 

Just like Young first yr, the coaches (Frank) wanted to sabotage Young(hence the fastest hire n fire coach in history proves that. 

Young is a good seed we planting but we first have to get rid of the bad apples. Thielen saw his time coming to an end and wanted to leave n go home. 

 

Just like Renfrow, slow, n sorry but I'm so glad we don't have to hear about his comeback story every time we play. Thielen was reliable, but we need speed. And he beat up, still has lingering injury issue, oh but ya'll didn't know that(or maybe u do if u look at the details of his trade). Dan just got him off the books and got some capital, GREAT JOB DAN...btw Morgan push for Young over CJ, and it's no coincidence Canales was picked to coach Young up. At the end of the day, with Tmac, XL, Coker(probably will break some of Smitty's records except the triple crown but if he does oh boy). Coker needs to be on the field. He couldn't with Thielen in the picture. 

 

 

[Khaki Lackey]

2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

Never, and it doesn't have to be an old grizzled vet, sometimes a vet can learn something from a young player too.  

Do you not see players talking to each other between plays, quarters, on the bench, wherever, in EVERY sport?

It's what players do, especially the great ones, they're always working on their craft and learning tips from others to better themselves.  

So when your entire receiving room outside of one player, who has mostly played special teams in his career, has played 1 season or less in the NFL, it's not a lot of experience there in the locker room and on the sideline and is a tad concerning in regards to the proper growth of all these young WRs with great potential.

I get all that. I'm just saying, XL and Coker had over a full year of mentorship from Thielen and they were lucky to have it. I just think the vet leadership value is a bit overblown here. By all accounts, David Moore is a great locker room guy and their WR coach was a 12 year pro bowl vet. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

24 minutes ago, Khaki Lackey said:

I get all that. I'm just saying, XL and Coker had over a full year of mentorship from Thielen and they were lucky to have it. I just think the vet leadership value is a bit overblown here. By all accounts, David Moore is a great locker room guy and their WR coach was a 12 year pro bowl vet. 

Everyone says AT was old and slow but the one thing he could do consistently was get separation. That takes skill and it's been a huge issue in our WR for years. And while Moore may be a great locker room guy and our WR coach may be a 12 year vet, he's not playing in the game. Vets like AT do what they do because they can see things others don't and exploit it. The DB interview I mentioned before was with Stephon Gilmore after his DPOY season. He was pulling the younger DBs aside showing them things you wouldn't even think you'd be able to tell from the way the receiver was standing. 

Seeing what a DB or LB is biting on in game that can give you that half step advantage is huge and we don't have that experience in our WR group right now and I think it could end up hurting us. None of our receivers have lined up against NFL corners successfully on a regular basis. Having someone that can walk over and give you a tip to get a half yard separation can be a difference maker. 

[hepcat]

Thielen was a "dawg" like Dan Morgan likes to say. And they replaced him with puppies. 

The analytics are probably saying this is more targets for younger receivers they are hoping to develop, specifically the first round pick from 2025. The eye test is going to show a very inexperienced group of WRs that are going to have some serious growing pains, for a 3rd year QB who has not yet proven to be the guy going forward. 

It's crazy how in the literal first game of his NFL career, Cam Newton showed everyone he was a star QB and there was never any doubt about that. It almost didn't even matter who was around him, although he definitely had a serious lack of talent at WR for most of his career.

Bryce is going into his third season and there is still a ton of doubt, and who is around him is seen as crucial for him to have success. I don't like it. 

[MHS831]

We need fireworks for game 3 or so--when we hit 200.

[bythenbrs]

On 8/27/2025 at 12:35 PM, tukafan21 said:

But in any profession in life, you also have people who help teach you the things they've learned over their career to make you better, particularly early in your career.

I think they’re called ‘coaches’.  Many (not all) were players, themselves.

Having both veteran players and coaches that can pass that knowledge on to younger players is the ideal.  Thielen did that well from the limited anecdotal evidence we read and the recent Coker interview.  If Renfrow can be brought back onto the active 53, he can fill that role, too. If not, we’ll just have to rely on Moore, Idzik and Canales.

Edited August 29, 2025 by bythenbrs

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, bythenbrs said:

I think they’re called ‘coaches’.  Many (not all) were players, themselves.

Having both veteran players and coaches that can pass that knowledge on to younger players is the ideal.  Thielen did that well from the limited anecdotal evidence we read and the recent Coker interview.  If Renfrow can be brought back onto the active 53, he can fill that role, too. If not, we’ll just have to rely on Moore, Idzik and Canales.

God, these posts are really starting to piss me off

If we're relying on Moore, Idzik, and Canales to carry that weight, then we're royally screwing over our young WR room.  It's not that those guys can't help with some of it, but these young promising WRs are going to miss out on a lot of learning that can only be provided by the vets on the team.  

You do realize that coaches spend ZERO time in the locker room, right?  

They are only in there just before games and at halftime, but the rest of the week, they have their own locker room, they only spend time with the players on the field and in the film room.  There is soooooo much time that you're leaving unaccounted for where players are working together to get better.

Players are constantly talking about their game and how they can improve while they're in the locker room.  If you think career long special teamer David Moore is going to be able to carry that water in the locker room, then you're sorely and woefully mistaken.

Even beyond that, if a coach pulls a player aside to give advice between series, that still means there are 4-5 other WRs who aren't getting individual advice, where that's normally a time a vet like Thielen is going over with them what he's seeing out there and how they can do X, Y, or Z to do A, B, or C better on the next drive.

[Icege]

Starting to wonder how many people here have been on functioning teams in any capacity whether it be in sports, at work, or in their own home...

Like, yea, my supervisor is who I report to but I got on-the-job training from my teammates. I'd go to my boss and get direction when I had questions, but I also went to my teammates first with those questions.

Not having the consistency of AT in the locker room is a negative that the team seems to be hoping to offset with the positives that are the increase opportunities for their young WRs. This is also good for Bryce, because it's going to challenge him to elevate + lead those guys, while also bad because he loses his most reliable target from the last two seasons.

The move happened. Now we're in "hurry up and wait" mode to see what the results will end up being over the course of the season.

Edited August 29, 2025 by Icege