Tepper is still pulling the strings

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I've given Canales some runway.  Still will for about half the season to thoroughly judge, but the way he calls the run game is infuriating and vanilla.  I don't think he wants or is trying to have a diverse running attack.  

Dan Morgan though...the 2025 draft looks promising but the 2024 draft returns look like a disaster.

• 1.01 - Caleb Williams/None (traded it for Bryce the year prior)
• Late 1st - traded up for XL (lol) Over - Keon, Ladd, DeJean
• 2nd - Traded around and took Brooks who was injured over Sainristil, Frazier, Kneeland, Rosengarten
• 3rd - Trevin - I'm finally willing to express some major concern but Rozeboom blows and doesn't help him

At that point you don't need to look at the rest lol

There is quote from Canales somewhere when we hired him.  He was blunt he isn't some creative mind.  He was going to come in here and do X......and that was going to be closer to Foxball than anything we have seen.   And that largely has held true.   It's why he REALLY needs that Jake Delhomme type.  Baker was that.  The downfield gunslinger.   Big plays exist in his O.   You need a gambling QB to go make them downfield. 

Bryce pulled the trigger once this week.  But he is just bad at it.  It was that Tmac deep ball that ended up being a PI.  Tmac had his dude beat.  That was the homerun ball this O sets up.   But Bryce underthrew it.  Tmac had to slam on the breaks and come to a full stop and wait for it.    Those just aren't Bryce's throws.    Sure we got the PI.  Some might celebrate that aspect.  But that throw highlights Bryce doesn't make those throws well.  Your WR shouldn't have to come to a complete stop and wait....when he has the guy clearly beat for the over the top play.  That's what the entire thing sets up.  Bryce rarely takes the shot.  When he does, it's generally not a great ball. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

There is quote from Canales somewhere when we hired him.  He was blunt he isn't some creative mind.  He was going to come in here and do X......and that was going to be closer to Foxball than anything we have seen.   And that largely has held true.   It's why he REALLY needs that Jake Delhomme type.  Baker was that.  The downfield gunslinger.   Big plays exist in his O.   You need a gambling QB to go make them downfield. 

Bryce pulled the trigger once this week.  But he is just bad at it.  It was that Tmac deep ball that ended up being a PI.  Tmac had his dude beat.  That was the homerun ball this O sets up.   But Bryce underthrew it.  Tmac had to slam on the breaks and come to a full stop and wait for it.    Those just aren't Bryce's throws.    Sure we got the PI.  Some might celebrate that aspect.  But that throw highlights Bryce doesn't make those throws well.  Your WR shouldn't have to come to a complete stop and wait....when he has the guy clearly beat for the over the top play.  That's what the entire thing sets up.  Bryce rarely takes the shot.  When he does, it's generally not a great ball. 

AR is extremely raw but he's a better fit for a DC type offense, and he's rumored to be on the outs in Indy. I'd trade BY for AR and see what happens. We need a new QB at the end of the season anyway. Why not. 

[Camp Fodder]

1 hour ago, PadresPanthersFan said:

If this season goes up in flames like it looks like it is, at least the cupboard isn't bare. We have some pieces on offense with our o line, t Mac and young te. 

We have some pieces on d with d brown, horn and maybe princely and scrouton. And more importantly Morgan hasnt traded any future picks. Yet.

It was worse 2 years ago but the next hc and gm will be walking into a far better situation provided they don't do anything stupid and trade future picks

If you hire the right gm and coach, even this team could be fixed in a couple years. It’s been fine too many times recently. (See Comnanders, Bengals,etc). 

[CRA]

18 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Give those people their room to work without stupid Tepper strings attached to coaches or players and the money will be enough IMO. They only decline when they know they can't make it work with the other stuff he is pushing. So far we still have our top 5 pick and so little to tie to anyone next year at the rate they are going.

It's a big if for Tepper because this cycle was always about proping up the unprepared while keeping people around that should have gone after 2023. 

There just is no vision or plan that gets carried out.  You can see that every step of the way.  We get in our own way. 

Love or hate Rhule.  There was a top down vision day one.  That got scrapped because Teddy hurt feelings.   A respectable plan thrown out the window and we went down the win now table scrap vet panic hunt.    Teddy was supposed to get two years.  Install the NO O variant.  Provide stability and you draft a QB to bring up slowly.   At least the initial plan made sense.  They failed to execute it. 

Frank sort of made sense too.  Hire all these boring old coaches.  Get respectable.  But then they spent all their resources on anomaly QB they didn't want or fit what the staff would be doing.  

Canales.  I still contend there was a general consensus he didn't fit and they would move past Bryce and relatively fast.  Two games in.....Bryce's career was ended here.  The entire football world basically acknowledged it.   But then....they failed to execute the plan.  They didn't trade Bryce.  They made things weird and let him back on the field and the media and fans ran with this "comeback" story that fugged them.  Here we are. 

outside of Rhule, I'm not sure anyone was really horrible in a vacuum.  It's horrible they way we put stuff together and fail to have any real vision. 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Camp Fodder said:

If you hire the right gm and coach, even this team could be fixed in a couple years. It’s been fine too many times recently. (See Comnanders, Bengals,etc). 

Those 2 teams were not as depleted as the Panthers. There is no quick fix for this team. There is no foundation to build on.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

There just is no vision or plan that gets carried out.  You can see that every step of the way.  We get in our own way. 

Love or hate Rhule.  There was a top down vision day one.  That got scrapped because Teddy hurt feelings.   A respectable plan thrown out the window and we went down the win now table scrap vet panic hunt.    Teddy was supposed to get two years.  Install the NO O variant.  Provide stability and you draft a QB to bring up slowly.   At least the initial plan made sense.  They failed to execute it. 

Frank sort of made sense too.  Hire all these boring old coaches.  Get respectable.  But then they spent all their resources on anomaly QB they didn't want or fit what the staff would be doing.  

Canales.  I still content there was a general consensus he didn't fit and they would move past Bryce and relatively fast.  Two games in.....Bryce's career was ended here.  The entire football world basically acknowledged it.   But then....they failed to execute the plan.  They didn't trade Bryce.  They made things weird and let him back on the field and the media and fans ran with this "comeback" story that fugged them.  Here we are. 

 

Canales doesn't have a system. He's only been an OC 2 seasons and both were not good. He talks about what he wants to do but it's not resembling anything that makes sense. The problems go well beyond a bad qb.

[Waldo]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

There just is no vision or plan that gets carried out.  You can see that every step of the way.  We get in our own way. 

Love or hate Rhule.  There was a top down vision day one.  That got scrapped because Teddy hurt feelings.   A respectable plan thrown out the window and we went down the win now table scrap vet panic hunt.    Teddy was supposed to get two years.  Install the NO O variant.  Provide stability and you draft a QB to bring up slowly.   At least the initial plan made sense.  They failed to execute it. 

Frank sort of made sense too.  Hire all these boring old coaches.  Get respectable.  But then they spent all their resources on anomaly QB they didn't want or fit what the staff would be doing.  

Canales.  I still contend there was a general consensus he didn't fit and they would move past Bryce and relatively fast.  Two games in.....Bryce's career was ended here.  The entire football world basically acknowledged it.   But then....they failed to execute the plan.  They didn't trade Bryce.  They made things weird and let him back on the field and the media and fans ran with this "comeback" story that fugged them.  Here we are. 

outside of Rhule, I'm not sure anyone was really horrible in a vacuum.  It's horrible they way we put stuff together and fail to have any real vision. 

Rhule got the run of the place. This crew was tied to Young and that choice. The fact is they have done a poor job with a few sprinkles of decent mixed in. Frank never made sense. Old, run down and set in his way. Mix in a horrendous approach to filling out his staff and the worst GM in Teppers ear was a mess that absolutely deserved a one and done for all staff and directions. This build is just an extension of the Young debacle playing out with the low quality options attached to that choice. DC was never getting away from Young. That's why he was brought in and the fantasy he would be able to move one after failing was a fan made. Dude is taking huge hits and it's only week 2 lol

 

[CRA]

13 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Canales doesn't have a system. He's only been an OC 2 seasons and both were not good. He talks about what he wants to do but it's not resembling anything that makes sense. The problems go well beyond a bad qb.

Canales does have a system, way to play the game.    

It's methodical running to set up the big aggressive pass play downfield. Wilson, Geno,  Baker.  That's all he knows.  Every stop of his career, that's what he was involved with.  That's football to him.    He isn't a creative type.  He was always going to come in and be what he knows.   He told us that.   

and once poo hits the fans, I don't listen to coaches make excuses on the microphone.  Canales is being exactly what we hired.   When we hired him, it was clear Foxball was returning. 

 
 

 

 

 

[carpanfan96]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

Canales does have a system, way to play the game.    

It's methodical running to set up the big aggressive pass play downfield. Wilson, Geno,  Baker.  That's all he knows.  Every stop of his career, that's what he was involved with.  That's football to him.    He isn't a creative type.  He was always going to come in and be what he knows.   He told us that.   

and once poo hits the fans, I don't listen to coaches make excuses on the microphone.  Canales is being exactly what we hired.   
 

 

 

 

Canales is what he's from and that's old school Pete Carroll football. Not gonna change and he needs a big armed QB to run his system. 

[Gapanthersfan]

Unprepared and out of position. It’s the hallmark of the Tepp coaching existence. I know im in the minority, I’m not all that down on the players from a talent perspective. I do believe that there is some good talent there, but the coaching from top to bottom is abysmal. 

I mentioned it already but it bears repeating: what good positional coach with aspirations of climbing the ladder would EVER sign up here? … and seeing how lost, confused and disjointed every player looks… it makes complete sense.

This team: poor fit HC paired with a terrible DC who is being forced to run a scheme that only a select few teams are successful with. Pair this with closed practices free from media and fan criticism and bottom of the barrel position coaches. 

This is 1000% on Tepp because nobody worth anything would voluntarily work for the dude. I don’t think he’s as handsy as he had been in daily operations, but this whole disaster is on him. He refuses to hire the type of people that would fast track success. He will never hire a ‘my way or no way’ type coach, which is the ONLY thing that would turn this disaster around. 

 

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Rhule got the run of the place. This crew was tied to Young and that choice. The fact is they have done a poor job with a few sprinkles of decent mixed in. Frank never made sense. Old, run down and set in his way. Mix in a horrendous approach to filling out his staff and the worst GM in Teppers ear was a mess that absolutely deserved a one and done for all staff and directions. This build is just an extension of the Young debacle playing out with the low quality options attached to that choice. DC was never getting away from Young. That's why he was brought in and the fantasy he would be able to move one after failing was a fan made. Dude is taking huge hits and it's only week 2 lol

 

Frank made sense only in that.......the org was coming off the Rhule poo show.  And the Frank era was basically going to the opposite end of the spectrum and trying to be NFL respectable again.   I get that.  But then Tepper paired the old dog coach up w/ some anomaly QB that would require Shanahan and unique weapons. 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Canales does have a system, way to play the game.    

It's methodical running to set up the big aggressive pass play downfield. Wilson, Geno,  Baker.  That's all he knows.  Every stop of his career, that's what he was involved with.  That's football to him.    He isn't a creative type.  He was always going to come in and be what he knows.   He told us that.   

and once poo hits the fans, I don't listen to coaches make excuses on the microphone.  Canales is being exactly what we hired.   
 

 

 

 

He was an OC for Baker and the Bucs. Prior to that doesn't count as he wasn't the guy calling plays. You keep trying to give him credit for someone else's work. He has been given credit where it wasn't due. He's not a qb whisperer. That is what fans called him to have hope that he could fix Young because he "fixed" Geno and Baker when there was no proof he actually had anything to do with it.

[Jay Roosevelt]

I honestly don't think so, it's just that the damage he did during the Rhule/Reich years was so bad it's continued to linger. Not to mention he never really made a totally clean break from Scott Fitterer when he hired Dan Morgan. Also, trading up to #1 for a QB that hasn't panned out is going to set your franchise back a few years regardless.

[Panthers Fan 69]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

^^^^ BINGO!!!

Now you are beginning to see through the hype. We didn't get here in one offseason and it will not be fixed in one. This will take finding the right FO and coach combination and many years of good drafts by them to dig out of the nfl cellar. This team is FUBAR.

Coming from a military family, I always had high structure and positivity growing up. But when my uncles and grandparents start talking about fubar and I saw the look in their eyes, things could get pretty bad. That’s one word that rings true.