The Panthers’ Bryce Young Problem is Getting Old

[Loyalty4Life]

8 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

 

He's got happy feet, he reads the line poorly, he has trouble reading defenses. He has issues staying on schedule as well. His arm is adequate, he's actually fairly good athleticly as far as speed and such is concerned. 

Let me go find it, from during the 2023 pre draft. I said these same things about him then. 

And I would argue with little of that. 

He does have bad footwork and while I don't think he has trouble reading defenses, per se, I do think he makes decisions based off of key indicators and can get easily fooled.  When out of structure he adlibs well.  When in structure he relies too much on what the play and concept are designed to do.  I do think that he processes things very quickly but that may be somewhat of an achilles heel as he can be baited which we've seen multiple times.  Jessie Bates probably shows up in his nightmares.

I don't see the staying on schedule as much of a Bryce issue as I do a coaching and play calling issue.  He's had some of his best drives in the hurry up when it's less about scheme and more about talent.  Some of his best games have been when he's just slinging it.

 

[TheSpecialJuan]

Depressing 

[carpanfan96]

5 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

And I would argue with little of that. 

He does have bad footwork and while I don't think he has trouble reading defenses, per se, I do think he makes decisions based off of key indicators and can get easily fooled.  When out of structure he adlibs well.  When in structure he relies too much on what the play and concept are designed to do.  I do think that he processes things very quickly but that may be somewhat of an achilles heel as he can be baited which we've seen multiple times.  Jessie Bates probably shows up in his nightmares.

I don't see the staying on schedule as much of a Bryce issue as I do a coaching and play calling issue.  He's had some of his best drives in the hurry up when it's less about scheme and more about talent.  Some of his best games have been when he's just slinging it.

 

He works best off schedule and always has. He had that issue at Alabama. Same with reading defenses and setting protections. 

It's why he led the 2023 QB class in generated pressure in college. 

[Loyalty4Life]

17 minutes ago, Coheed said:

IMO the problem with Bryce is less to do with any of what you’re saying and more to do with him just not having the mental fortitude and killer mentality needed to succeed. 
 

when the bullets are live and poo actually matters, he’s only ever crumbled.

 

would love to be wrong. 

See, this is what I'm talking about.  

The guy was the first pick in the NFL draft, had a horrible 1st year with little quality coaching, surrounding talent or a defense to lean on.

He plays probably the worst football I've seen from a QB in his first two games last year and gets benched.

Yet, he mentally never folded.  Kept pounding.  Became the starter again and played football at a high level.  The stats over his last 3 games were very good with some being the very top elite level in the NFL such as 10 TD's to 0 interceptions.

The Falcons game was a win and in the playoffs game for the Falcons and was probably Bryce's best game.  In almost all of our wins he lead game winning drives.

That is clutch.  That is some of the strongest mental fortitude a person can have so I really don't know what you're basing this on.

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

He works best off schedule and always has. He had that issue at Alabama. Same with reading defenses and setting protections. 

It's why he led the 2023 QB class in generated pressure in college. 

Well things the thing, off schedule should be last resort not first thought.  QBs need to step up and navigate in the pocket to make reads.  When things break down, sure man rock out with your cock out but that shouldnt be a ton during the games

[frankw]

Playing better and winning when the pressure is completely off is not a first overall pick.

[frankw]

Even Kyle fuging Allen won when the pressure was on.

We're still waiting to see Bryce Young not play like utter dogshit in the season opener.

[carpanfan96]

I'll just piggy back off what I said earlier here. 

 

The problem with Bryce is and has always been his height combined with his arm. The reason he works so well ad-libbing is that he usually gets out of the pocket or allows the offensive line time to open throwing lanes which allows him to see the defense better, and manipulate the defense because of his legs which eliminates the need to read defense mostly. 

 

The reason he doesn't work well in structure is because he can't make those reads at the line on what the defense is running and where to move protection, so he doesn't immediately know where to go with the ball based on coverages/ pressures so he runs the play exactly as it's called and goes through normal progressions 1-2-3. 

 

He's gotten better at reading just based on Sundays game because he didn't nearly look as bad at it as he did last year and he didn't have AT to set lines and stuff for him. 

Edited 13 hours ago by carpanfan96

[Loyalty4Life]

5 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

He works best off schedule and always has. He had that issue at Alabama. Same with reading defenses and setting protections. 

It's why he led the 2023 QB class in generated pressure in college. 

Agreed.  Setting protections is one of the more difficult things for an NFL QB to learn but I did see a lot of improvement over the past year.  It's still an issue but getting better.  Reich hung him out to dry in that aspect and almost got him killed.

Once Canales gave him a hot read or option for blitzes and pressure he did much better.  The more experience he gets the better he'll get.  That's also another good reason to keep a strong oline.  Mitigates that a little bit.

[mrcompletely11]

5 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Agreed.  Setting protections is one of the more difficult things for an NFL QB to learn but I did see a lot of improvement over the past year.  It's still an issue but getting better.  Reich hung him out to dry in that aspect and almost got him killed.

Once Canales gave him a hot read or option for blitzes and pressure he did much better.  The more experience he gets the better he'll get.  That's also another good reason to keep a strong oline.  Mitigates that a little bit.

This reads like you would give him an ext or pick up the 5th at a minimum no matter what happens this year.   Would that be a true statement?

[Coheed]

17 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

See, this is what I'm talking about.  

The guy was the first pick in the NFL draft, had a horrible 1st year with little quality coaching, surrounding talent or a defense to lean on.

He plays probably the worst football I've seen from a QB in his first two games last year and gets benched.

Yet, he mentally never folded.  Kept pounding.  Became the starter again and played football at a high level.  The stats over his last 3 games were very good with some being the very top elite level in the NFL such as 10 TD's to 0 interceptions.

The Falcons game was a win and in the playoffs game for the Falcons and was probably Bryce's best game.  In almost all of our wins he lead game winning drives.

That is clutch.  That is some of the strongest mental fortitude a person can have so I really don't know what you're basing this on.

Only putting in performances worth a damn when your team is eliminated from the playoffs is the antithesis of clutch 

 

that 4th down throw away in the red zone? Antithesis of clutch 

 

i *want* to be wrong man. Truly do. If you look at my posts I’d argue I was actually one of the more gracious posters on here to Bryce in 23 and 24. 

Edited 13 hours ago by Coheed

[OldhamA]

19 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

See, this is what I'm talking about.  

The guy was the first pick in the NFL draft, had a horrible 1st year with little quality coaching, surrounding talent or a defense to lean on.

He plays probably the worst football I've seen from a QB in his first two games last year and gets benched.

Yet, he mentally never folded.  Kept pounding.  Became the starter again and played football at a high level.  The stats over his last 3 games were very good with some being the very top elite level in the NFL such as 10 TD's to 0 interceptions.

The Falcons game was a win and in the playoffs game for the Falcons and was probably Bryce's best game.  In almost all of our wins he lead game winning drives.

That is clutch.  That is some of the strongest mental fortitude a person can have so I really don't know what you're basing this on.

He's had the starting job handed to him for three straight years.

If Gardner Minshew had walked through the doors of BoA Stadium last year he'd have taken Young's job and stuffed him in his locker. 

Mental fortitude. 

[PantherChris]

4 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

its 7 billion but point taken, he and his wife are here for the long haul

Eeeesh lol 6.4 and Tepper has made 2.8B in value running a sh*tshow

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Loyalty4Life said:

See, this is what I'm talking about.  

The guy was the first pick in the NFL draft, had a horrible 1st year with little quality coaching, surrounding talent or a defense to lean on.

He plays probably the worst football I've seen from a QB in his first two games last year and gets benched.

Yet, he mentally never folded.  Kept pounding.  Became the starter again and played football at a high level.  The stats over his last 3 games were very good with some being the very top elite level in the NFL such as 10 TD's to 0 interceptions.

 

Narratives have to change real quick to defend bad players. 

when Bryce was drafted it was THE best place for any rookie to land.  All star staff.   But since the anomaly QB stunk there was little coaching. 

Generally the worst foobtall teams have one thing in common.  A massive QB issue.  Bad QBs make everything worse.  Any small crack becomes the Grand Canyon. 

Bryce had mental concerns at Bama.  Bryce seemed to need a mental break 3 games into his rookie season.  Bryce seems to consistently fold to pressure at the start of every single season (3 in a row) being the worst version of himself.  THE only time he even flirted with okay play……was with house money and believed to be done in Carolina. 

In Bryce’s last 3 games….HE was good in one of them.  The last one.  In fact, it’s the only actual good game of his entire career if you aren’t going a Bryce curve