Bryce Young is a problem — what would you do if you were Dan Morgan?

[Joe Bear]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Canales has his own issues with his with preparation. Both his and his players. He got embarrassed against the Jags who made him look like an amateur. 

Yeah, and I've met Dave. He comes across as a good dude who'd thrive in PR (clearly). But his decision-making with regard to situational playcalling, like I said Sunday, is the coaching version of Young's. Just indefensible on so many occasions.

[Chaos]

We keep losing YEARS in a matter of minutes with decisions this FO makes.  They are stacking up, and the hole is so deep I can’t even see daylight at the top anymore. 

Just start shoveling the dirt in on top of me. 

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

41 minutes ago, Panthering said:

Ride with Bryce unless there's a Rams game pt. 2, then you'll have to bench him again. I think everyone agrees a second benching means you're done here. 

Send Dalton out there for morale and improved play, sign someone off the street if needed. Draft a new QB next year or find a stop-gap QB in the offseason and try to focus on defense during the draft. 

No more goddam stop-gaps!

[SmokinwithWilly]

28 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

AR is dogsh*t. Do not waste a pick on some else's trash. Let's draft our own garbage from now on.

So is BY. We thought Darnold and Baker were dogsh*t but a change seems to have made a difference. I'd offer straight across if they'd take it. Nothing to lose in reality. Maybe get lucky and he actually finds his potential or more than likely he train wrecks into the top 2 picks with Miami. Doesnt really matter either way, but I forgot what it looks like to see a ball sail 40 yards with the flick of the wrist from a Carolina QB. I dream of watching TMac catch a 60 yard in the air TD. 

[Captroop]

There's absolutely no reason to bench Bryce and start the QB carousel. What's to be gained? Try to save some of Bryce's trade value by hiding him away? I don't think that's a real risk at this point.

And putting in another QB for a win or two before the wheels inevitably fall off will just hurt our draft position.

No, you as an organization bet the farm that Bryce was your QB this year, so you stick with it. We need to see the ignominy of one of the worst #1 picks of all time, and I'd argue the worst trade in NFL history play out before our eyes. Just so there's no doubt. And then put an end to what I hope is the saddest and worst epoch in franchise history. 

[Waldo]

16 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

They don't need to do anything. There's 3 qb's on the roster and all are capable of getting us a high draft pick. There's no saving this season because the die has been cast and what will be is already in motion. Buckle up buttercup and enjoy the ride.

I never said save this season or trade Young. I said if they weren't going to play Young and do last year all over they need another body. Dalton will end up hurt, Hooker can't play more than a few games without getting churned so if they do not plan to play Young again and just repeat last year then they need another body. Playing Young again would just be setting up the same outcome vs sitting him eith intent to move him after the year, something we do agree on. That's all. You can't have not playing g Young again without another body IMO. IF they intend to do all of that and no new bodies then just play out Young and get the best pick without sitting him. 

[Panthering]

7 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

No more goddam stop-gaps!

We say this but I would kill for Geno Smith here. 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

So is BY. We thought Darnold and Baker were dogsh*t but a change seems to have made a difference. I'd offer straight across if they'd take it. Nothing to lose in reality. Maybe get lucky and he actually finds his potential or more than likely he train wrecks into the top 2 picks with Miami. Doesnt really matter either way, but I forgot what it looks like to see a ball sail 40 yards with the flick of the wrist from a Carolina QB. I dream of watching TMac catch a 60 yard in the air TD. 

You can find that in the draft. Being able to throw a football 40 yards doesn't make someone a good qb. If that's all you want Young can do that. Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he can't. I've seen him do it in college and even his pro day.  For some reason he doesn't and im not sure it's all him. But even doing so doesn't make him a good nfl qb.

[t96]

Honestly, I would send a message to the team and organization and set the tone for the culture going forward by straight up releasing him. Wouldn't even bother trying to find a trade partner. 

[Jon Snow]

4 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I never said save this season or trade Young. I said if they weren't going to play Young and do last year all over they need another body. Dalton will end up hurt, Hooker can't play more than a few games without getting churned so if they do not plan to play Young again and just repeat last year then they need another body. Playing Young again would just be setting up the same outcome vs sitting him eith intent to move him after the year, something we do agree on. That's all. You can't have not playing g Young again without another body IMO. IF they intend to do all of that and no new bodies then just play out Young and get the best pick without sitting him. 

Thats what some of us has been saying.  Just ride or die with Young as long as they can and deal with the consequences after the season. There is no saving the season if Young can't. If he cannot then it's a high draft pick in our future. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Jon Snow

[Joe Bear]

1 minute ago, t96 said:

Honestly, I would send a message to the team and organization and set the tone for the culture going forward by straight up releasing him. Wouldn't even bother trying to find a trade partner. 

That would be pretty stupid to willingly forego any potential return simply to have the personal satisfaction of firing a player you don't like. 

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, t96 said:

Honestly, I would send a message to the team and organization and set the tone for the culture going forward by straight up releasing him. Wouldn't even bother trying to find a trade partner. 

Thats cutting your nose off to spite your face. 

[Captroop]

1 minute ago, t96 said:

Honestly, I would send a message to the team and organization and set the tone for the culture going forward by straight up releasing him. Wouldn't even bother trying to find a trade partner. 

If it weren't for the egos of the people who would have to make this decision, this would absolutely be the move.

But admitting you traded multiple firsts, and passed up on Stroud for a #1 overall pick that couldn't even play his way through 3 NFL seasons? That would take a level of humility that our brain trust are just not capable of. 

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

Thats what some of us has been saying.  Just ride or die with Young as long as they can and deal with the consequences after the season. There is no saving the season if Young can't. If he cannot then it's a high draft pick in our future. 

Yup. If no one else is brought in to fill time, and they wouldn't be good anyways, then just don't sit him.