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Hunter Renfrow - 2 TDs (2nd in receptions)

all other WRs - 0 TDs

that’s a cool thing for Hunter.   Cool he was able to mount a comeback and actually prove he could do it.

Not the greatest sign for an offense though.  Hunter shouldn’t be that.  

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7 minutes ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Tmac and Brycen slander is not tolerated 

ZERO TMac slander going on in here.  He could challenge 89 production wise maybe.  We hit on that.   

I fault BY for getting away from him in this game.  Lot of wasted throws to XL at the end.  Big moments you let the big dudes try to make the play.  Way too much  XL.  Should have gone Tmac’s way.  It’s not hard to see XL now got the mental hurdles adding to his host of problems.  Weak WR regressing 

Bryce 100% catching strays in here though . 

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Bryce young decision tree should be this and no more.

Is TMAC 51% open or more

-If yes, throw ball

-if no...

Is Renfrow in a position to make a catch without having to do a back hand spring triple twist to catch it. If yes, throw ball.

-if no...

Check Chuba or run.

Every pass play. Those are the options.

Don't care if XL is running wide open or galloping on a horse at the five, dont throw the ball.

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3 minutes ago, CRA said:

ZERO TMac slander going on in here.  He could challenge 89 production wise maybe.  We hit on that.   

I fault BY for getting away from him in this game.  Lot of wasted throws to XL at the end.  Big moments you let the big dudes try to make the play.  Way too much  XL.  Should have gone Tmac’s way.  It’s not hard to see XL now got the mental hurdles adding to his host of problems.  Weak WR regressing 

Bryce 100% catching strays in here though . 

you are correct about those calls for XL, like they tried to hard to get him the ball when clearly it's not working. 2 min offense should be a day's worth of practice from here on out, until they can get these calls in faster. RPO's and PA worked really well, and actually open the lanes for the run game, that's the team we have rn.

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13 minutes ago, jopie87 said:

Bryce young decision tree should be this and no more.

Is TMAC 51% open or more

-If yes, throw ball

-if no...

Is Renfrow in a position to make a catch without having to do a back hand spring triple twist to catch it. If yes, throw ball.

-if no...

Check Chuba or run.

Every pass play. Those are the options.

Don't care if XL is running wide open or galloping on a horse at the five, dont throw the ball.

Really need Coker back.  And we will need the Panthers to be willing to make the right move there. 

Tmac, Coker, Renfrow should be your 3.  And at this point I think you work with in #87 before you get to XL.  BUT this org seems incapable of admitting mistakes with big picks 

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7 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

It’s a coincidence that Bryce doesn’t have trouble when throwing to NFL WRs huh 

I mean he has had fair amount of issues throwing to Renfrow and TMac thus far this year.   They also just happen to have catches because they aren’t XL

Bryce has struggled with throws vertical and sideline.   His placement often sucks TMac and Renfrow have been part of that.   Bryce is really just a check down, slant snd underneath QB

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2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean he has had fair amount of issues throwing to Renfrow and TMac thus far this year.   They also just happen to have catches because they aren’t XL

Bryce has struggled with throws vertical and sideline.   His placement often sucks TMac and Renfrow have been part of that.   Bryce is really just a check down, slant snd underneath QB

I think those throws require playmakers. We have 0.5 of one of those. Would you disagree with either of those statements? 

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7 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

I think those throws require playmakers. We have 0.5 of one of those. Would you disagree with either of those statements? 

I’m talking anything that gets vertical or to the sideline.  Not just homerun go routes.   And his ball placement and accuracy in general is super spotty.  He is late a lot too.  

it’s a bunch of things with Bryce.  I think really the game just moves too fast for him generally speaking given all his handicaps.  He likely will play a little better as the season goes on like last year.   But the ceiling I think is forever low given he just lacks physical traits/tools.  

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