Dave is sticking by Bryce

[frankw]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

I’ve been begging for them to sign a legit backup for years. preferably a QB that can run to make up for the lack of talent on offense 

But this roster as a whole is f*cking awful. I’d say it’s us, Saints and Patriots bottom 3 teams in terms of talent and the Patriots just whopped our ass yesterday lol

But until we start stacking talent on this roster using another high draft pick on a QB to drop into this situation is going to result in similar results 

There isn’t a single QB in college right now that’s coming here next year and turning this circus into a competitive team

There are things we know and things we don't know. Right now our starting QB is undoubtedly making things significantly easier for opposing coaches and defenses to gameplan for. That cannot be downplayed. We need to evaluate this staff and roster with a QB who can complete consistent passes downfield and then go from there and see what further moving parts need to be replaced in the offseason.

[*FreeFua*]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

there is no way this franchise is going to saddle themselves with Young for 2 more years.  Morgan, I am assuming, is way too smart for that because that is a sure fire way to get canned.  I mean damn look up north and you see that Dart probably just saved the asses of the entire Giants org.

 

Ive said all year there are literally only 3 options for bryce and the panthers.  Trade, extension or pick up the 5th.  

After yesterday Bryce is 98.9% done in Carolina, it’s not official but we are a ***** hair away from it being so.  Do I want to see Dalton starting, fug no, but from the team reaction from yesterday you cannot trot bryce out there if he has another stinker.  And brother we have 13 games to go.

You’re assuming Morgan is smart? Morgan was team Bryce during draft process 

Morgan sat next to Fitterer and watched him burn a 2nd rounder on Mingo. Watched him get fired. Then Morgan went and used a 1st rounder on Xavier f’n Legette

Morgan has spent a 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder on running backs 

Our DL has generated zero pressure all season. Still can’t stop run. He panicked and overpaid for Wharton.

His solution to fixing OL was to throw big money at 2 guards. One who is out for the year now. Our OL was a disaster yesterday 

And lastly, he decided to hire his buddy to be the head coach. A guy who had zero interviews elsewhere 

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

There are things we know and things we don't know. Right now our starting QB is undoubtedly making things significantly easier for opposing coaches and defenses to gameplan for. That cannot be downplayed. We need to evaluate this staff and roster with a QB who can complete consistent passes downfield and then go from there and see what further moving parts need to be replaced in the offseason.

Our coaching staff and lack of talent on offense makes it pretty easy to gameplan for opposing coaches  

[*FreeFua*]

3 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

There is enough talent to be average. Jesus Christ we have:

(2) 1st-round WRs

1st round CB

1st round LT

Over 200 million in other OL

1st round DE worth 90 million

(2) 1000 yard rushers

One of the highest paid safeties 

100 million between Wharton and Brown. Plus a 2nd and 3rd spent on Edge Rushers this year.

I mean come on. 

 

 

 

Just saying we have 2 first round WR’s doesn’t mean much. Having Xavier Legette does literally nothing. 

Where were those 2nd and 3rd round edge rushers yesterday? Maye was kept clean all afternoon 

Wharton was the most obvious panic move when it happened 

Our 100 million dollar guard is out for the year 

To add to all of this we have a head coach that doesn’t belong. Not only do we lack talent but our coach gets out coached weekly. 

Liam Coen has Jax 3-1. New GM, new HC and they’re off to a great start. Coaching matters. We don’t have that here

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

You’re assuming Morgan is smart? Morgan was team Bryce during draft process 

Morgan sat next to Fitterer and watched him burn a 2nd rounder on Mingo. Watched him get fired. Then Morgan went and used a 1st rounder on Xavier f’n Legette

Morgan has spent a 2nd rounder and a 4th rounder on running backs 

Our DL has generated zero pressure all season. Still can’t stop run. He panicked and overpaid for Wharton.

His solution to fixing OL was to throw big money at 2 guards. One who is out for the year now. Our OL was a disaster yesterday 

And lastly, he decided to hire his buddy to be the head coach. A guy who had zero interviews elsewhere 

damn, just damn, reading that makes me sad and you are not wrong at all.  Damn

[frankw]

3 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Our coaching staff and lack of talent on offense makes it pretty easy to gameplan for opposing coaches  

At this point if Canales goes so be it. The issue is you seem to adopting the same mentality as others which is basically parroting the exact same takes from two years ago with Reich blaming everything solely on him while trying to direct attention from the fact the starting QB is extremely limited. You cannot fire two entire coaching staffs and still act as if the QB is only one small part of the problem. He is at the center of all the problems. And the problem with firing yet another coach to shield Bryce Young is nobody is going to want to take this job. It's already undesirable with the Tepper's. But to take a job under the guise of fixing a literal 2X coach killer is a nonstarter. The only possible coach you might get in here is some horrible coordinator that will just be another crony sycophant to the Tepper's.

The only path forward is to rip the bandaid off bench Young and just put one foot in front of the other and treat this as an audition year for everyone.

[*FreeFua*]

25 minutes ago, frankw said:

At this point if Canales goes so be it. The issue is you seem to adopting the same mentality as others which is basically parroting the exact same takes from two years ago with Reich blaming everything solely on him while trying to direct attention from the fact the starting QB is extremely limited. You cannot fire two entire coaching staffs and still act as if the QB is only one small part of the problem. He is at the center of all the problems. And the problem with firing yet another coach to shield Bryce Young is nobody is going to want to take this job. It's already undesirable with the Tepper's. But to take a job under the guise of fixing a literal 2X coach killer is a nonstarter. The only possible coach you might get in here is some horrible coordinator that will just be another crony sycophant to the Tepper's.

The only path forward is to rip the bandaid off bench Young and just put one foot in front of the other and treat this as an audition year for everyone.

I don’t have any emotional attachment to Young. If he goes then so be it. Do I think he’ll eventually get a fair shake somewhere and prove he can play? Yes but it’s obvious it won’t be here so whatever. 

Ultimately until we get the GM/HC thing right nothing else matters. Literally nothing else and right now we’re a mess in that department

Dan and Dave aren’t it. 

We’re honestly lucky we have our 1st round pick right now. Had GB asked for someone like A’shawn, Parsons would be a Panthers and we’d be out 2 1st rounders 

 

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Do I think he’ll eventually get a fair shake somewhere and prove he can play? Yes but it’s obvious it won’t be here so whatever. 

 

 

Not to start an argument here, but why do you feel this way?  I mean its crystal clear at this point he has massive physical limitations and if we are being honest mental ones as well.  Dude just doesnt have it at all.

[CarolinaLivin]

16 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Not to start an argument here, but why do you feel this way?  I mean its crystal clear at this point he has massive physical limitations and if we are being honest mental ones as well.  Dude just doesnt have it at all.

Prolly thinks that because of the history of 1st round picks let alone #1 overall picks getting multiple opportunities. Bryce will maybe get one more opportunity but it'll likely be a competition type opportunity that im not sure he will win... that is... if he gets that chance. Im not so sure. But who knows. Lots of high ego coaches and GMs with get rich quick schemes that end horribly.

Edited 1 hour ago by CarolinaLivin

[Khyber53]

16 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Question was, “Will Bryce be your starter next week?”

Dave said absolutely.  Said Bryce is being competent out there, he’s leading us, he has good energy and focus, and he’s the guy to lead us.

i think I’m good off watching anymore of this poo.

Sure, keep him as the starter, but activate Hooker off the practice squad. Couldn't get much worse.

[CPF4LIFE]

16 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Not to start an argument here, but why do you feel this way?  I mean its crystal clear at this point he has massive physical limitations and if we are being honest mental ones as well.  Dude just doesnt have it at all.

I dont get this thought process from panther fans either. A lot of them are saying mccvay is gonna grab him up and turn him into a MVP. I would love to know based off what exactly?? 

Like I need a detailed explanation for the reach. 

[*FreeFua*]

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Not to start an argument here, but why do you feel this way?  I mean it’s crystal clear at this point he has massive physical limitations and if we are being honest mental ones as well.  Dude just doesnt have it at all.

Honestly probably has more to do with how I feel about this organization than Bryce himself 

I was a Stroud guy pre draft. Who btw before yesterday had a 19/15 td:int ratio after his famous post game talk to Caleb. Slowik was scheming dudes wide open Stroud’s rookie year. Coaching matters so much

We’re seeing that more than ever now with guys like Darnold, Baker and maybe even Daniel Jones (who I thought was crap and probably still is). 

I was a big fan of Baker pre draft and a fan of the trade. This organization had this dude looking CFL caliber-esque. I just look at the big picture with this organization/roster and I truly feel no QB could make it work. Maybe Lamar because he can run. 

I am a big Cam Ward guy and that roster/coaching situation in Nashville is god awful as well and he’s struggling but of course he’s going to. This fan base was spoiled with Cam. He was a generational talent that kept guys employed that eventually held us back as a whole 

Look at our WR and TE room. It’s embarrassing and it’s been this way all 3 years of Young’s career. 

Young is only 24 and imo he’s way too smart to completely write off just yet. Sure there are physical limitations, it’s why I didn’t want to draft him but there’s just no way he’s honestly as bad as this organization makes him look

Can both things be true? Can this organization suck and so can Young? Yes. But as a betting man, I’m betting this has a lot more to do with this organization than it does Young. History says so

[strato]

I don’t understand the organization blame thing in the sense that the people who were here when Baker was here are not the people who are in place for this iteration of the team. This era. 

Morgan is no offensive guy and if was here for Baker and Sam (just looked he came here in 2021) he likely had little to do with any of that he was a subordinate front office exec with scant offensive background. I also can’t quite reason out why he would have had real influence over the selection of which QB we took, because what kind of power did he even have? I say probably little real power. 
I think he should be judged by what he did as GM when he did have some power. 
And the idea that if f something is perceived to be wrong now they are blamed/credited for what happened when they weren’t even here. Tepper is the only real link. I struggle to accept this line of thinking. 
 

[RumHam]

Of course Dave Tepper is, and Nicole. Such a nice boy