Canales and Bryce thoughts

[Calboyz13]

I’ll start off by saying this: in no way, shape, or form should Bryce Young be the starting QB for us next year. I accepted that reality last year—by Weeks 1 and 2, I was already disgusted by what I saw.

 

Now, let’s get to why I don’t think Canales is fully to blame (at least play-calling wise). There aren’t a lot of plays for 3rd-and-long situations when we have no speed on the field, and with Tet becoming a star, he’s likely to get double-teamed on those downs. So, instead of putting Bryce in position for an interception or sack-fumble, Canales runs the ball. Cool, I get it.

Also, Bryce has a huge tendency of staring down ONE receiver as well and would elude getting an INT.

 

But here’s what’s off to me: when Andy Dalton comes in, the ball is being ripped downfield. (Yes, I understand Andy is a longtime veteran.) We even saw it last year—Andy threw the ball well, made the right decision and moved the offense down the field. Now with Bryce, though, I think Canales is handcuffed by his limited abilities. Throwing off his tippy-toes or throwing jump balls (never seen Russell or Drew Bree’s do that), I just don’t think he fits the mold of thing Canales wants in a QB. Bryce has also reverted to his ways with his footwork as well. It’s glaring on tape now. 

 

There were times yesterday when I saw Bryce have time in the pocket, and he still threw a checkdown. Or there were guys open, but he couldn’t fit the ball into a tight window because he didn’t have the arm strength to do it.

 

I’m not going to put all the blame on Canales—he’s working with what he’s got—but I’m not letting him off the hook either.

 

Here’s how I see it: I think Tepper will allow Dave to pick his QB of choice this year to run the offense, whether that comes through free agency or the NFL Draft. Something has to get done. I cannot keep watching situations where receivers are NFL-open, but Bryce can’t make the throw, or when a tackle or guard gets pushed back a few steps and Bryce shows “Bambi legs.” I just can’t keep watching it anymore.

 

I don’t think Dave gets fired, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he did. That could be the potential route the organization takes. To me, it feels like we’re saving money for something. I also think Tepper’s and Dan’s patience with Bryce is wearing thin as well.

 

Just my opinion.

 

#KeepPounding

[PleaseCutStewart]

44 minutes ago, Calboyz13 said:

 

I’ll start off by saying this: in no way, shape, or form should Bryce Young be the starting QB for us next year. I accepted that reality last year—by Weeks 1 and 2, I was already disgusted by what I saw.

 

Now, let’s get to why I don’t think Canales is fully to blame (at least play-calling wise). There aren’t a lot of plays for 3rd-and-long situations when we have no speed on the field, and with Tet becoming a star, he’s likely to get double-teamed on those downs. So, instead of putting Bryce in position for an interception or sack-fumble, Canales runs the ball. Cool, I get it.

Also, Bryce has a huge tendency of staring down ONE receiver as well and would elude getting an INT.

 

But here’s what’s off to me: when Andy Dalton comes in, the ball is being ripped downfield. (Yes, I understand Andy is a longtime veteran.) We even saw it last year—Andy threw the ball well, made the right decision and moved the offense down the field. Now with Bryce, though, I think Canales is handcuffed by his limited abilities. Throwing off his tippy-toes or throwing jump balls (never seen Russell or Drew Bree’s do that), I just don’t think he fits the mold of thing Canales wants in a QB. Bryce has also reverted to his ways with his footwork as well. It’s glaring on tape now. 

 

There were times yesterday when I saw Bryce have time in the pocket, and he still threw a checkdown. Or there were guys open, but he couldn’t fit the ball into a tight window because he didn’t have the arm strength to do it.

 

I’m not going to put all the blame on Canales—he’s working with what he’s got—but I’m not letting him off the hook either.

 

Here’s how I see it: I think Tepper will allow Dave to pick his QB of choice this year to run the offense, whether that comes through free agency or the NFL Draft. Something has to get done. I cannot keep watching situations where receivers are NFL-open, but Bryce can’t make the throw, or when a tackle or guard gets pushed back a few steps and Bryce shows “Bambi legs.” I just can’t keep watching it anymore.

 

I don’t think Dave gets fired, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he did. That could be the potential route the organization takes. To me, it feels like we’re saving money for something. I also think Tepper’s and Dan’s patience with Bryce is wearing thin as well.

 

Just my opinion.

 

#KeepPounding

I can understand that argument when we have the lead or the game is close, not when we are down by multiple touchdowns like the AZ and NE games... Let Bryce air it and if he throws a pick 6, that's more ammunition for why you need your QB. Calling these pussy draw plays and punting the ball back to the other team to then let them score again is why he is a failure of a coach.

[Calboyz13]

1 hour ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I can understand that argument when we have the lead or the game is close, not when we are down by multiple touchdowns like the AZ and NE games... Let Bryce air it and if he throws a pick 6, that's more ammunition for why you need your QB. Calling these pussy draw plays and punting the ball back to the other team to then let them score again is why he is a failure of a coach.

I can understand the argument for 3rd and 10 but aren’t much u doing on 3rd and 15…. Bryce isn’t gonna air it out he don’t trust his WR’s nor his line so if he airs it out and throws a INT it’s the same as punt. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

1 minute ago, Calboyz13 said:

I can understand the argument for 3rd and 10 but aren’t much u doing on 3rd and 15…. Bryce isn’t gonna air it out he don’t trust his WR’s nor his line so if he airs it out and throws a INT it’s the same as punt. 

You can at least try a screen or a short route and hope the receiver breaks a tackle.

A run on 3rd and long every now and then to surprise the defense is acceptable. Running the ball on 3rd and long 80% of the time is moronic

[mrcompletely11]

2 hours ago, Calboyz13 said:

 

I’ll start off by saying this: in no way, shape, or form should Bryce Young be the starting QB for us next year. I accepted that reality last year—by Weeks 1 and 2, I was already disgusted by what I saw.

 

Now, let’s get to why I don’t think Canales is fully to blame (at least play-calling wise). There aren’t a lot of plays for 3rd-and-long situations when we have no speed on the field, and with Tet becoming a star, he’s likely to get double-teamed on those downs. So, instead of putting Bryce in position for an interception or sack-fumble, Canales runs the ball. Cool, I get it.

Also, Bryce has a huge tendency of staring down ONE receiver as well and would elude getting an INT.

 

But here’s what’s off to me: when Andy Dalton comes in, the ball is being ripped downfield. (Yes, I understand Andy is a longtime veteran.) We even saw it last year—Andy threw the ball well, made the right decision and moved the offense down the field. Now with Bryce, though, I think Canales is handcuffed by his limited abilities. Throwing off his tippy-toes or throwing jump balls (never seen Russell or Drew Bree’s do that), I just don’t think he fits the mold of thing Canales wants in a QB. Bryce has also reverted to his ways with his footwork as well. It’s glaring on tape now. 

 

There were times yesterday when I saw Bryce have time in the pocket, and he still threw a checkdown. Or there were guys open, but he couldn’t fit the ball into a tight window because he didn’t have the arm strength to do it.

 

I’m not going to put all the blame on Canales—he’s working with what he’s got—but I’m not letting him off the hook either.

 

Here’s how I see it: I think Tepper will allow Dave to pick his QB of choice this year to run the offense, whether that comes through free agency or the NFL Draft. Something has to get done. I cannot keep watching situations where receivers are NFL-open, but Bryce can’t make the throw, or when a tackle or guard gets pushed back a few steps and Bryce shows “Bambi legs.” I just can’t keep watching it anymore.

 

I don’t think Dave gets fired, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he did. That could be the potential route the organization takes. To me, it feels like we’re saving money for something. I also think Tepper’s and Dan’s patience with Bryce is wearing thin as well.

 

Just my opinion.

 

#KeepPounding

when bryce gets traded there is no point in keeping dalton

[Jon Snow]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

when bryce gets traded there is no point in keeping dalton

There's no point in keeping any of our current qb's. 

[CanadianCat]

Honestly I feel like we should keep BY regardless if we draft a QB #1 next year.

I'm tired of us throwing out QBs just to see them get good after they leave. 

 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, CanadianCat said:

Honestly I feel like we should keep BY regardless if we draft a QB #1 next year.

I'm tired of us throwing out QBs just to see them get good after they leave. 

 

He would have to accept a backup role here in that scenario. I cannot see that happening here.

[CPF4LIFE]

Its not a coincidence that when dalton came in last year Canales ramped up the pass plays to the point we barely ran the ball. The guy knows he can't open things up with Bryce. Its not rocket science at all. 

 

[cranky]

"We even saw it last year—Andy threw the ball well, made the right decision and moved the offense down the field."

No he didn't.

Dalton is 1-4 as a starter with Canales. His completion rate is slightly higher than Youngs (66% vs 60%), but his Int % is higher than Youngs ( 7/6 vs 18/9) and his yards per attempt are barely higher at 6.2 than Youngs at 5.9. These are starter only stats.

For comparison, Dalton had a 67% completion rate, a 18/9 TD to Int ratio and averaged 7.6 y/a when he was with NO.

The Panthers are were QB's come to die.

[45catfan]

14 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Honestly I feel like we should keep BY regardless if we draft a QB #1 next year.

I'm tired of us throwing out QBs just to see them get good after they leave. 

 

Lol, a #1 overall QB backing up another high first rounder?  We would be the laughing stock of the NFL.  I mean, even more so than now. If we are even thinking of a first round QB next April, Bryce has to be gone.  Dalton, not so much, especially if Canales is retained.  He already knows the system.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, cranky said:

"We even saw it last year—Andy threw the ball well, made the right decision and moved the offense down the field."

No he didn't.

Dalton is 1-4 as a starter with Canales. His completion rate is slightly higher than Youngs (66% vs 60%), but his Int % is higher than Youngs ( 7/6 vs 18/9) and his yards per attempt are barely higher at 6.2 than Youngs at 5.9. These are starter only stats.

For comparison, Dalton had a 67% completion rate, a 18/9 TD to Int ratio and averaged 7.6 y/a when he was with NO.

The Panthers are were QB's come to die.

The only real difference is Andy will take more chances down field which leads to turnovers. Young is too risk adverse for his own good. Were I him and is about to be out of the league soon I would sling the ball all over the place whether I physically could do it or not. What does he have to lose that he's not already lost? I just don't get it.

[Shotgun]

5 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

The only real difference is Andy will take more chances down field which leads to turnovers. Young is too risk adverse for his own good. Were I him and is about to be out of the league soon I would sling the ball all over the place whether I physically could do it or not. What does he have to lose that he's not already lost? I just don't get it.

He just doesn't have it in him. Its like asking Danny DiVito to windmill dunk. 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Shotgun said:

He just doesn't have it in him. Its like asking Danny DiVito to windmill dunk. 

It doesn't matter if he wants to stay in the league. Either he starts slinging it or he will never even find a job as a backup. That's on him.