New York Times: Is Panthers QB Bryce Young a Lost Cause

[mc52beast]

Maybe trade Bryce to the Jets so those NYT writers can get an up close and personal view of him.

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

The writer of this article is Jeff Howe, a patriots beat writer. 

he was probably just watching the game and was like “oh fug this dude sucks.”

Seems like even reddit has shifted.  I think that place coddled Bryce more than the team until now.

[Bear Hands]

3 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Seems like even reddit has shifted.  I think that place coddled Bryce more than the team until now.

Yeah there's a pretty substantial switch this week.

The more tape there is, more evident the reality becomes.

The footwork, shallow jittery drops that give him no sight lanes, frenetic pacing, slow pocket speed, inability to outrun IDLs, poor placement, and really, he can't move the ball unless he's running empty sets or has an easy dump off.  He'll have 2-3 good intermediates per game (if that).    

[PNW_PantherMan]

6 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Yeah there's a pretty substantial switch this week.

The more tape there is, more evident the reality becomes.

The footwork, shallow jittery drops that give him no sight lanes, frenetic pacing, slow pocket speed, inability to outrun IDLs, poor placement, and really, he can't move the ball unless he's running empty sets or has an easy dump off.  He'll have 2-3 good intermediates per game (if that).    

Yea but this is year 3.  That’s been happening for a while.  Just interesting that this particular game flipped a lot of folks.

[Bear Hands]

6 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Yea but this is year 3.  That’s been happening for a while.  Just interesting that this particular game flipped a lot of folks.

I'm saying it just takes time.  

With this game in particular, even though it was turnover clean, it somehow made the inability to do anything decent that more obvious.  It was just straight up inefficiency and misses. 

Daffy duck'd

[carpanfan96]

8 hours ago, Panthera onca said:

Why does our local paper not print something like this? We have to get a NY org to put the truth in writing?

Local papers have to care about Tepper and what he thinks because access to the Panthers has changed since Tepper bought the team. 

 

The NY Times... Well they don't give a fug what Tepper thinks. Lmao

[Panthercougar68]

For anyone questioning why The NY Times is posting this, The NY Times owns The Athletic which is their attempt to be espn.

[carpanfan96]

20 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Yeah there's a pretty substantial switch this week.

The more tape there is, more evident the reality becomes.

The footwork, shallow jittery drops that give him no sight lanes, frenetic pacing, slow pocket speed, inability to outrun IDLs, poor placement, and really, he can't move the ball unless he's running empty sets or has an easy dump off.  He'll have 2-3 good intermediates per game (if that).    

The book is out on how to defend him. 

It's not the offense because the throws are there. It's literally BY. 

If you defend the boundary numbers out, instruct your pass rushers to stay disciplined to impact throwing lanes, drop LB into shallow zones with two deep all that's left is bait throws over the middle that lead to turnovers, throws out to the flat, outs and comebacks. If you're defending the boundary correctly all of those throws will be contested heavily and lead to little yac and big plays.

 

All the other team has to do is survive the scripted part of the early game and sit back and let Bryce inevitably panic. 

[Jackie Lee]

18 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I'm saying it just takes time.  

With this game in particular, even though it was turnover clean, it somehow made the inability to do anything decent that more obvious.  It was just straight up inefficiency and misses. 

Daffy duck'd

Can't throw a pick if you throw the ball into the dirt with no one within 10 feet of the spot lol   

[PNW_PantherMan]

46 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

The book is out on how to defend him. 

Yea and apparently it came out years ago cause Jessie Bates had read it before his first game:

[strato]

If just looking at him and can’t see it maybe you could figure it out from how teams play us - they don’t respect his game.

His footwork saps the velocity from an already below average arm and it hurts him. The margins shrink when the ball takes that extra tick to arrive on the longer throws. You could foresee this too, I mean come on. 

NFL defenders are not college defenders, the NFL is as fast as football gets. You have to beat those defenders.  There were valid questions about whether he could, that ended up with bad answers. 

Edited 1 hour ago by strato

[SOJA]

When people are about to get fired, fingers start getting pointed both in the media and behind the scenes. 

[Jackie Lee]

6 hours ago, mc52beast said:

Maybe trade Bryce to the Jets so those NYT writers can get an up close and personal view of him.

Eh I would easily rather watch Justin Fields or Tyrod Taylor play qb than BY. Would be an extremely hard sell even for a team that shitty lol. 

[strato]

57 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

Eh I would easily rather watch Justin Fields or Tyrod Taylor play qb than BY. Would be an extremely hard sell even for a team that shitty lol. 

Yeah. I came to understand that even if we could somehow scheme up some wins with Young, and we probably could… I don’t like watching that brand of ball.