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New York Times: Is Panthers QB Bryce Young a Lost Cause


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5 minutes ago, strato said:

Well you don’t , uhh we don’t know the ins and outs of that trade up and why he was the guy they chose. Canales may not have been driving that. 
 

But how do we overlook the QB as far as standing out for sucking? 

Canales came out and said that shortly after drafting him iirc

we don’t. Two people can suck. But man fuging legette doesn’t even know how to play football and doesn’t seem to want to learn. 

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1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

Like this guy is arguing in favor of Canales sticking around and picking a defensive coordinator by comparing him to a better coach who probably should not have been allowed to pick his offensive coordinator. 

I am undecided on Canales. My thoughts were okay he is a qb guy and the deal is, (Tepper perspective) if I hire this QB guy to fix Bryce and he can’t then I will accept that he he can’t be fixed. 
And I will have a QB guy in place to get a real one. I was good with that. 

I have a hard time stopping after chapter one. I need to see chapter two if possible  

Further, the saying ‘fraud vitiates everything’ applies to this. Bryce is a basically a fraud. That is how my brain works: strange or not I see this as only the first part of the test and I knew Bryce could not be fixed. He isn’t broken in the first place. He is exactly what they drafted. He didn’t get ruined this is who he has always been and you cannot ‘fix’ him to be Drew Brees like everybody claimed he was. 
Said it before, it’s like handing a chef dog food and expecting a great steak. And then blame the chef. 
 

I just want it to play out. Hell I was a Wilks Darnold keep the 9th pick guy anyway. I am not married to Dave I just want to see us stay the course and judge at the end of the test. If he fails then, he fails do what you want. 
 

I can’t get upset at people disagreeing the way I get upset over the ridiculous Bryce love and stanning and their name calling over it. 
I am out of explanation that’s about it. 
I may just link this for future arguments  

PS  Bryce, he is below replacement level you can get what he gives us really cheap. 

 

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Feels like this part is worth mentioning too:

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Worse, Mayfield and Darnold were both with the Panthers before Young’s arrival, and both have turned into quality starters since they left Carolina. So, while Young hasn’t played well, let’s not pretend he’s been dropped into an ideal situation.

We had guys here who could play and decided to go in a different direction (twice). Who is in charge of evaluating QBs in this organization? Tepper? Because the revolving door of coaches and GMs keep changing while the problems stay the same.

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On 10/1/2025 at 2:29 PM, DeAngelo Beason said:

Young wasn't drafted by Canales.  Canales shouldn't be held accountable until he can hire his own DC and draft his own QB.  

Agreed. He also Wasn't responsible for a trade that got the bears 

Dj moore, Caleb Williams,  tyrique Stevenson, Darnell Wright, and Luther burden either.

All talent he could be working with instead of the bare cupboard it is now. 

 

 

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The other thing about Canales is he wasn’t a qualified hire when we hired him. No other team in the league even interviewed him. Just two years prior he’d been demoted in Seattle. 

I find the mitigating circumstances unconvincing when his performance has been exactly what you’d expect from an unqualified head coach way in over his head. At the least you can’t say he’s shown the ability to overcome anything. 

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16 hours ago, electro's horse said:

The other thing about Canales is he wasn’t a qualified hire when we hired him. No other team in the league even interviewed him. Just two years prior he’d been demoted in Seattle. 

I find the mitigating circumstances unconvincing when his performance has been exactly what you’d expect from an unqualified head coach way in over his head. At the least you can’t say he’s shown the ability to overcome anything. 

also TB got BETTER once he left lol 

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3 hours ago, SOJA said:

I feel like me and you would be friends IRL

I've been told I have that effect on most normal humans. I seem to attract more of the stranger things in life than most normal people though. I am probably most of all the most chill amongst this house of horrors if that means anything. 

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On 9/30/2025 at 2:02 PM, electro's horse said:

oof

But the 2025 reviews are not favorable, according to a coach, an executive and a scout who have studied Young’s performances this season. He has been downright “awful” at some points during the Panthers’ 1-3 start, according to one evaluator who was granted anonymity so he could speak openly about another team’s player. He’s looked uncomfortable in the pocket, struggled to see the field, lacked anticipation and failed to be consistently accurate.

“I don’t think he’s the guy,” another evaluator said.

Anyone with two eyes and an IQ over 60 does not need these three people to tell them BY is not the guy. This poo is comical, I’ll keep watching the train wreck though. 

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