Eight of Bryce Young's nine wins have come off game-winning drives

[Icege]

18 hours ago, CRA said:

Bryce Young overall has been a reason and often big reason why the Panthers have trailed in the 4th quarter in literally every single game of his entire career….minus one game. 

and again, the entire point is addressing the suggestion BY is somehow more clutch than Jake and Cam because of his GWD numbers. Thats dumb.  And that is what we are ultimately addressing here 

BY isn’t even on track to be the 3rd best QB in Panther history.  Not even close.  Bringing up Cam and Jake is blasphemy and almost anti-Panthering in the name of stan-ing for BY. 

 

2 hours ago, CRA said:

I specifically called out it's a joke to bring up Jake and Cam when talking about Bryce Young and his GWDs....(it's LITERALLY mentioned in the OP.

 

On 10/12/2025 at 5:42 PM, TN05 said:

2023

• 15-13 over Houston
• 9-7 over Atlanta

2024

• 23-22 over New Orleans
• 20-17 over NYG
• 36-30 over Arizona
• 44-38 over Atlanta

2025

• 27-24 over Miami
• 30-27 over Dallas

He already has almost halfway as many GWDs as Cam (17) and Delhomme (22).

CRA... Are you really claiming that it is blasphemous to point out that Bryce has half as many GWDs as previous Panthers' QBs (a simple fact that doesn't detract from Cam nor Jake)? Who are we allowed to compare his stats to then? Keith Null? Does this also mean that you and others will stop trying to compare Cam, Aiden O'Connell, and other QBs to Bryce?

That's beyond ridiculous, but seeing as you're still saying we're behind in every game because of Bryce after just establishing that the only GWD where Bryce was at fault for putting the team behind (MIA) I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. Disappointed, sure, but not surprised.

 

 

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[strato]

2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Roger that. But that's not what I said -blaming him for losses but not giving credit for wins. Of course a QB has a lot of responsibility for the passing game. Not all. But alot. What I'm seeing "appears" to be an inability/reluctance to find anything positive. Even when he plays well. If he's the reason they lose every game, then he should be the reason they win too.

It is what it is. Could be a reaction to to mirror behavior of the pro Bryce people where everything good is because of him and everything bad is because he has no help. 

[Icege]

44 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Just my opinion... if you unrealistically blame BY for losses, then you should unrealistically give him credit for wins. Otherwise you're saying every loss is his fault but every win is someone else's. Can you see the inconsistency in that statement? Just saying.

When I saw folks last week saying that they were afraid they would die before the Panthers made it to the Super Bowl again and it's all Bryce's fault, I knew that some of them had entered territory where therapy is their only hope.

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[strato]

12 minutes ago, Icege said:

When I saw folks last week saying that they were afraid they would die before the Panthers made it to the Super Bowl again and it's all Bryce's fault, I knew that some of them had entered territory where therapy is their only hope.

I know you are talking about my post.
You are playing your typical game. Twisting it into something and then attacking over it. The straw man. 
There was no statement made that it was Bryce’s fault. None. 

We are three years into the hole created by dropping 3 years of top assets into a ill advised course of action that he is the centerpiece of. 

After an interim coach went 6-6 and we had a QB that has played far better than Young and probably will continue to do so. 
We spent those assets on a guy that has produced two excellent games in his career to date . Every other game he had success in was a good quarter or half or even a single drive at the end. 

 It is Tepper’s fault for picking him and for generally ruining the franchise. 
 

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[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, strato said:

I know you are talking about my post.
You are playing your typical game. Twisting it into something and then attacking over it. The straw man. 
There was no statement made that it was Bryce’s fault. None. 

We are three years into the hole created by dropping 3 years of top assets into a ill advised course of action that he is the centerpiece of. 

After an interim coach went 6-6 and we had a QB that has played far better than Young and probably will continue to do so. 
We spent those assets on a guy that has produced two excellent games in his career to date . Every other game he had success in was a good quarter or half or even a single drive at the end. 

 It is Tepper’s fault for picking him and for generally ruining the franchise. 
 

As I said yesterday, Bryce has a monumental opportunity on Sunday, beat a bad NFL team on the road.  Start a trend of winning on the road and take another step forward.  Lose on Sunday and we may be back to square 1.  

 

I think we kill them personally, our defense is playing way too well for Fields to overcome

[Navy_football]

1 hour ago, strato said:

It is what it is. Could be a reaction to to mirror behavior of the pro Bryce people where everything good is because of him and everything bad is because he has no help. 

I respectfully disagree. "Pro Bryce people" can agree that Rico had a crazy game AND that does help the passing game. Conversely, I'm seeing a lot of "it takes 200 yards rushing by Dowdle for BY to have a decent game." Everyone here has been on BY for the fumbles the first 2 games and not pushing the ball downfield. Everyone. Pro and Anti.

Separately, the best WR BY has ever had in the NFL is a current rookie - with lapses in concentration, not using 2 hands on more than a few occasions, and marginal speed. He has great size, understanding of route concepts, and the ability to make "wow" catches too. So potential is there to be great in what he does. But right now, he ain't even remotely on the levels of George Pickens, Waddle, Stephon Diggs, or Drake London - just looking at the last 4 teams Carolina has played. And everyone after TMac is marginal at best and wouldn't be top 3 on any of those teams. That's not an excuse. That's just facts. BY absolutely needs to be more consistent, but there really is a lack of speed on this offense. Love to see more Jimmy Horn to correct that.

[frankw]

People downplaying Rico Dowdle while strutting around over Bryce Young's "game winning drives" is a perfect summary of how far down the rabbit hole this convo has gone and also how low standards have sunk. Enough is enough. We need to see this guy take over some games. Period. He's a third year QB.

[CRA]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

 

 

CRA... Are you really claiming that it is blasphemous to point out that Bryce has half as many GWDs as previous Panthers' QBs (a simple fact that doesn't detract from Cam nor Jake)? Who are we allowed to compare his stats to then? Keith Null? Does this also mean that you and others will stop trying to compare Cam, Aiden O'Connell, and other QBs to Bryce?

That's beyond ridiculous, but seeing as you're still saying we're behind in every game because of Bryce after just establishing that the only GWD where Bryce was at fault for putting the team behind (MIA) I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. Disappointed, sure, but not surprised.

 

 

yes, it is blasphemous.  It is the perfect illustration of how stats lie and selectively leaving out all relevant context. 

Comparing Bryce to Jake and Cam is stupid.  

You have read my words a thousand times and you choose every time to tweak them in your reply.  Bryce Young is A reason.  Often a primary reason we have trailed in every single game in the 4th q (minus one).   You are the one the chooses to add in Oh, you are saying he is THE reason in EVERY single game (despite knowing that isn't what I said repeatedly so there can't actually be confusion given how many times I have repeated it).  

Why are doing that? Because you have to skew the verbiage to some nonsensical absolute framing....because I am right.  And you can't argue against that. 

[strato]

17 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I respectfully disagree. "Pro Bryce people" can agree that Rico had a crazy game AND that does help the passing game. Conversely, I'm seeing a lot of "it takes 200 yards rushing by Dowdle for BY to have a decent game." Everyone here has been on BY for the fumbles the first 2 games and not pushing the ball downfield. Everyone. Pro and Anti.

Separately, the best WR BY has ever had in the NFL is a current rookie - with lapses in concentration, not using 2 hands on more than a few occasions, and marginal speed. He has great size, understanding of route concepts, and the ability to make "wow" catches too. So potential is there to be great in what he does. But right now, he ain't even remotely on the levels of George Pickens, Waddle, Stephon Diggs, or Drake London - just looking at the last 4 teams Carolina has played. And everyone after TMac is marginal at best and wouldn't be top 3 on any of those teams. That's not an excuse. That's just facts. BY absolutely needs to be more consistent, but there really is a lack of speed on this offense. Love to see more Jimmy Horn to correct that.

You may not be making the excuses but they are there. 
I gave him what I consider high praise and at the same time feel like it is totally valid to look for him to be in a position where it is on him to lift it up because the box is full and there isn’t any yardage to be had on the ground, you know the scenario. I mean that is a test he has yet to convincingly pass from my memory. 
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You may or may not have seen but I gave him props for Sunday. Absolutely his best game afaic and he did it for 4 quarters. Which seems like a first. Maybe a second, but it is rare. 
Year three and everything but the kitchen sink has been thrown at helping him not fail; standards are high and should be high before he gets yet more years. 

[electro's horse]

6 minutes ago, strato said:

Absolutely his best game afaic and he did it for 4 quarters.

Packers 2023 imo

he made difficult throws against Green Bay. That sideline pass to chark is probably the best throw of his career. 

no idea what Dallas was doing Sunday. Their coverage looked like those pitching wedge challenges they have at top golf 

Edited 4 hours ago by electro's horse

[frankw]

Packers 2023 is Bryce's best full game. And then he followed that up with a colossal stinker against a Jags team without Trevor Lawrence. And that's a window into the conundrum that is Bryce Young and why you cannot and should not read into one game or even a few games. You need to evaluate the body of work.

[strato]

17 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Packers 2023 imo

he made difficult throws against Green Bay. That sideline pass to chark is probably the best throw of his career. 

no idea what Dallas was doing Sunday. Their coverage looked like those pitching wedge challenges they have at top golf 

As I remember it, it was a second half game. Not complete as this last one was. And what followed it? Two games of gooseggs and then the two to start 2024. 
 

maybe I need to go back and look at it but I think I remember the arguments afterwards. And we lost the game too. 

Edited 4 hours ago by strato

[CRA]

22 minutes ago, strato said:

As I remember it, it was a second half game. Not complete as this last one was. And what followed it? Two games of gooseggs and then the two to start 2024. 

it was a big second half game but Bryce Young probably threw for more first half yardage vs Green Bay than Dallas. 

and Bryce wasn't just hitting coverage busts to guys 5-10 yards open vs GB.  Probably his strongest day with the intermediate throws of his career.   

[Jon Snow]

4 hours ago, strato said:

A bunch of stuff that wasn’t his fault lol. 

True. But there was a bunch of stuff that was as well.