The Bryce Young "Game Winning Drive" narrative needs to end

[PNW_PantherMan]

20 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

The question I wonder involves putting the cost behind us.     

At this point he's here, so does the premium paid even matter anymore? It set expectations no doubt, and they weren't met.  He's been bench-worthy bad, but he's come back and looked first average, above-average to maybe great, and then downright bad again.  Now we're back on a good trend again.  Absolute rollercoaster.  

So what level of performance deems him a viable option to hold?  He's looked absolutely incapable of moving an offense at times, and others like a guy you can "Purdy" with some dimes sprinkled in.    

So, if he continues on this 2 game trend and shows consistent average to above-average play, we're treading into tricky territory.  Such a big investment but he tops out as a top-15/20 QB option.  It's Alex Smith KC type vibes. Are we going to be sitting at 7-10 come end of season and feel kind of meh?

It's right at that fringe of what is worth it.  If he doesn't re-sh*t the bed, we may be best suited to go BPA next draft and see the 2026 progression.  And that will be the final make/break year. 

What I can see if he doesn't fall apart and things look manageable:

He may end up being the average precursor to finding the great talent that you can build the team around.  How Alex Smith was in KC.  They built that with him (not around him) until they eventually got Mahomes.  Heck, think back to Trent Green/Warner.  So, BY can manage, we may get some success, but if a stud comes along, we bail and roll with the new gun.  

 

I’m in agreement here.  I’m indifferent on the 5th year option.  I’m mostly getting ahead of myself and alluding to a monster extension.

[strato]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

PJ Walker is the only QB in the Tepper era the Panthers managed to find wins with.  Only QB w/ a winning record.   

PJ had success in pro ball before the Panthers.  He he had NFL tools.    He just is inconsistent and unreliable.  PJ Walker is what you call a bad/poor man's gunslinger.  He can provide highs and lows both virtually guaranteed.  He is NFL depth. 

Bryce Young hasn't proven to improve a teams chances of winning better than the PJ Walker tier of QBing. PJ Walker can do things Bryce Young can't......and that's a problem 

 

 

Better than I could have said it 

[strato]

I thought this was supposed to be his make or break year. 
The goalposts are on wheels. 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[electro's horse]

21 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

It would be a complete panther type decision to give byoung a huge contract make him a top paid qb... in reality matt jones has shown more this year than byoung and he got basically nothing in freeagency.  byoung has done nothing to get paid a new contract at all.  

Daniel jones, not Matt. I think Matt is dead behind a liquor store somewhere. 

and under selling Daniel Jones. He’s playing like one of the four or five best qbs in the league.  

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Daniel jones, not Matt. I think Matt is dead behind a liquor store somewhere. 

and under selling Daniel Jones. He’s playing like one of the four or five best qbs in the league.  

Jones also had played well enough in his career to have been considered a starting caliber NFL QB without too mucb argument from most. His decline was significant but I personally attributed a lot of that to the "QB genuis" Brian Daboll and his neverending stream of underperforming QB's.

I don't think Jones ends up having an MVP caliber type season but he could easily have a Sam Darnold 2024-esque season on that offense.

[strato]

I wanted Daniel Jones last year and said so out loud. 
 

I have wanted a lot of people other than our starter but definitely wanted him to get a shot here 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Jones also had played well enough in his career to have been considered a starting caliber NFL QB without too mucb argument from most. His decline was significant but I personally attributed a lot of that to the "QB genuis" Brian Daboll and his neverending stream of underperforming QB's.

I don't think Jones ends up having an MVP caliber type season but he could easily have a Sam Darnold 2024-esque season on that offense.

Barring injury I think nfl mvp is already locked up this year. 

[Bear Hands]

11 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Barring injury I think nfl mvp is already locked up this year. 

Baker?

[fanpanther]

25 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Daniel jones, not Matt. I think Matt is dead behind a liquor store somewhere. 

and under selling Daniel Jones. He’s playing like one of the four or five best qbs in the league.  

Haha I was still off was thinking of mac jones he has done extremely well this year with basically no weopons as all the 49ers are hurt except for mcaffrey but he is playing slow this year for some reason. 

[Shotgun]

8 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Baker?

Rico

[kungfoodude]

22 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Barring injury I think nfl mvp is already locked up this year. 

Spencer Rattler??

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

Haha I was still off was thinking of mac jones he has done extremely well this year with basically no weopons as all the 49ers are hurt except for mcaffrey but he is playing slow this year for some reason. 

Always be wary of a QB in Shanahan's system. Not that they might not be good but that they will definitely look a lot better than they likely are.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Bear Hands said:

The question I wonder involves putting the cost behind us.     

At this point he's here, so does the premium paid even matter anymore? It set expectations no doubt, and they weren't met.  He's been bench-worthy bad, but he's come back and looked first average, above-average to maybe great, and then downright bad again.  Now we're back on a good trend again.  Absolute rollercoaster.  

 

 

I don't think premium paid matters at this stage.  Think the rest of league has established that.  We have seen top 10 QBs moved on from after just 1 year.  We have seen massive trade's at at the top moved on from too.   Teams can't afford to waste time.  

I mean, it's not all just Bryce in a vacuum.  Biggest issue is the front office in this equation.  Maybe he would be less of an issue to move on from if they prioritized their QB roster and it would have already sort of taken care of itself.....if they added young QBs and real competition for the spot.   

we are sort of unique in how how competition-less our roster is given how iffy the #1 spot was going into this season and last.   Sort of why they tried to move on from him last year and couldn't pull it off.  

[electro's horse]

14 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Baker?

Yeah. I don’t think it’s close.