Hey You, You Don't Know Quarterbacking

[Mr. Scot]

So what about Bryce?

I started off as a major doubter, but came around to believing in him by the end of last season.

Then this season started, and oy...

Buuuut now things are picking up again, so...

I'm waiting to see how the rest of the season plays out at this point, but even the doubter in me has to admit things are looking up.

The one firm conclusion I have come to this season isn't so much about Young, but Canales. From what I've seen over the past two years, I think his offseason preparation program sucks. The team comes into the season looking shoddy and unprepared...

But then things pick up a few weeks in

Maybe what he needs is a more experienced (and successful) past head coach on staff or consulting who can help him build a more effective offseason program combination of camp, OTAs, etc so we can leave the slow starts behind.

Here's hoping...

[dep]

20 minutes ago, CRA said:

I have never seen anyone dig into the claim Bryce Young LITERALLY can't throw the ball 20 yards. I don't think acting like THAT is an actual position here, is a good position to argue from. 

 

15 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Ok, I did, and it happened, and that’s one of many ridiculous positions that have made it difficult to have real discussions here. Again, that was a point among several that I pointed out, and there are more that I didn’t point out. You are latching onto it because it’s ridiculous. And that was also the point. 

This was a week ago lol

On 10/7/2025 at 7:18 AM, CRA said:

Bryce can’t play beyond 20 yards.  We don’t need to keep trying ton solve a riddle that has been answered.   Even in the 10-20 yard range Bryce largely just plays the game to the sideline/out.   

 

On 10/7/2025 at 7:35 AM, CRA said:

He can’t.  Not by NFL standards.  More than enough evidence at this stage to make that determination.  For even a chance at one Bryce has to get a perfect look and that’s not NFL football.   His weak arm gets nerfed too much when you get him off an ideal setup. 

Bryce’s ball placement and accuracy are horrible downfield.  That applied at Bama.  Bama WRs just had room to adjust.  Bryce defenders just repeat this lie about his Bama deep ball.  NFL balls have to be well placed to dudes only NFL open.  Bryce leads the NFL in bad throw % since arriving.  His accuracy and balls are garbage vs his peers. 

Countless plays for years where dudes are NFL open downfield and Bryce just lets the DB have just as good as a shot at it or takes the WR out of bounds.  It’s not a debate. 

Dudes flat out open this year on repeat.  He can’t make the throws.  So the talk about not having speed is auto debunked and a distraction.  Open is open and Bryce has gotten the looks 

 

 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by dep

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It's not analysis. There was no attempt to analyze anything or even convey new information at all.

Disagree. I thought it was good, especially the last two paragraphs.

[ForJimmy]

6 minutes ago, dep said:

 

This was a week ago lol

 

 

 

 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Disagree. I thought it was good, especially the last two paragraphs.

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The summary is this: if this team lives or dies solely on the performance of its quarterback, then it is absolutely a paper tiger even if he plays brilliantly week in and out. There are no superheroes in this sport, there are only conduits that proxy the collective efforts of much of the team around them. And no one alive can tell you how the position is played perfectly, it's all a confluence of circumstance and what unique collection of traits each player brings to the position, which can never be truly recreated season after season, even for the same player on the same team.

 

If this place remains a raging hellscape of idiotic hot takes I will happily remove myself again and do something more productive for yet another decade, but maybe's there hope that we can all get back to the old adage, and keep pounding.

This qualifies as analysis??? This is what impressed you??

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, dep said:

 

This was a week ago lol

 

 

 

 

LMAO.... criticizing Bryce for his inability play the game beyond 20 yards....is not arguing he literally can't throw the ball 20 yards. 

you can also check my posts where I have detailed his 20+ yard throws in 2024 and in 2025 and his success rate doing.   Looking at his 20+ yard throws (which clearly isn't denying the literal ability to do it), is how the argument he is dogwater and can't play beyond 20 yards is crafted. 

 

[dep]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

LMAO.... criticizing Bryce for inability play the game beyond 20 yards....is not arguing he literally can't throw the ball 20 yards. 

you can also check my posts where I have detailed his 20+ yard throws in 2024 and in 2025 and his success rate doing.   Looking at his 20+ yard throws (which clearly isn't denying the literal ability to do it), is how the argument he is dogwater and can't play beyond 20 yards of crafted. 

 

Oh like physically throw it... the average man can throw a football 20 yards who would argue against that lmao

[Panthera onca]

34 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's a good analysis, though

Certainly it was nothing new that hasn't been discussed over and over on here.

[Bear Hands]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

This qualifies as analysis??? This is what impressed you??

Nothing against the OP because there's some nice intent and perspective to the post (I suppose) 

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Feature	DESCRIPTOR 1	DESCRIPTOR 2
Foundation	Mostly opinion and preconceived notions	Evidence and objective examination
Purpose	To declare conclusive statements and lecture	To understand and explain
Direction	One-way communication at the crowd, not the subject being analyzed; asserting	Two-way exploration; inquiry into the why and how
Tone	Pompous, dogmatic, and/or condescending	Objective, interpretive, and methodical
Process	Does not involve rigorous inquiry.  Assertion of intellectual basis without process.	Systematically breaks down a subject from multiple perspectives
Outcome	Unqualified or unsupported declarations	Nuanced conclusions supported by evidence

 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

This qualifies as analysis??? This is what impressed you??

Okay, not that last one

I meant the last two paragraphs of actual analysis but I should have been more clear about that. 

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Nothing against the OP because there's some nice intent and perspective to the post (I suppose) 

 

That's what I mean. If you claim to possess some super knowledge about the QB position from a previous non-football but football related job, wouldn't you want to expound upon that to support this "everyone doesn't know anything about being a QB" thesis?

The rest is just summed up by stating that there are a lot of variables to a QB being successful. Yeah....I mean that isn't earth shattering. 

While there is certainly a lot of luck involved in all manners of success, consistent success with the variables around you also changing on a regular basis is usually fairly conclusive. 

Is Trent Dilfer the same as Tom Brady? Is Nick Foles the same as Patrick Mahomes?

I supposed based on the OP's arguments, they are. That's not really the way it turned out, however. 

The NFL isn't unlike most other jobs or even other sports. The cream typically does rise to the top on a more consistent basis. Is it accidental that premier poker players seem to win or perform very well on a consistent basis, give that any individual hand is largely luck?

 

[PNW_PantherMan]

18 minutes ago, CRA said:

LMAO.... criticizing Bryce for his inability play the game beyond 20 yards....is not arguing he literally can't throw the ball 20 yards. 

you can also check my posts where I have detailed his 20+ yard throws in 2024 and in 2025 and his success rate doing.   Looking at his 20+ yard throws (which clearly isn't denying the literal ability to do it), is how the argument he is dogwater and can't play beyond 20 yards is crafted. 

 

It's not even a particularly nuanced opinion, yet it seems out of reach for so many.

[strato]

31 minutes ago, dep said:

 

This was a week ago lol

 

 

 

 

We have a language barrier here.

 CRA saying he can’t play beyond 20 yards is NOT saying he can’t throw the ball 20 yards. 
 

That ain’t the flex you think it is. 

Edited 4 hours ago by strato

[strato]

54 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Here is another: You are being intentionally obtuse with this 20 yard BS and don’t like being called on it. 

PS it wasn’t intended as a burn, it was more of an assessment of reality. And what do you know, here we are talking. 

Edited 4 hours ago by strato