Speaking of revisiting trades: Brian Burns

[Basbear]

45 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

You can look at the article and the pff stats and clearly see that he gets more attention than anyone else on that line.

PFF you say...... Brother Dexter Lawrence is the biggest problem on that stacked DL, he gets tripled teamed on plays. 

They ALL are ballin, nice for BBs breakout in year 7...

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2 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

David and Nicole Tepper were responsible for Bryce Young.  That's just undisputable fact.

I don’t dispute that but there also word about Fitterer from the year before at an event maybe the Supuer Bowl don’t remember. 
 Kw I won’t rule out that he was just kissing Tepper’s ass with the Bryce support. It is all so weird and hard to understand. I mean how anyone could think he was worth that trade and the 1st overall, was something I couldn’t understand.  

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

But if you're planning to make a move for a QB in the future, and we were, those picks would have been huge trade capital. Now ask yourself how much better situation would we have been in if we had been able to exchange the Rams 1sts instead of our own and DJ Moore? 

Would we still have ended up with the number 1 overall? Possibly. 

Would we have kept Darnold since he was showing improvement and see if he improved, then had 4 1sts in 2 years to get our QB. Its possible. 

We could have also used those 4 1sts to build around Bryce and our defense. 

We could have done a lot. It wasn't just about Burns. It was admitting we weren't just a single piece away. Burns gave us 3 high value pieces to build from in trade value if played correctly. For a GM with any vision for the future, that's a grand slam and you're signing that trade before they can reconsider. 

I stated initially he should have been traded for the rams deal but once we didn’t take it, they should have extended him, we gave all the leverage up once that trade proposal leaked 

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, strato said:

I don’t dispute that but there also word about Fitterer from the year before at an event maybe the Supuer Bowl don’t remember. 
 Kw I won’t rule out that he was just kissing Tepper’s ass with the Bryce support. It is all so weird and hard to understand. I mean how anyone could think he was worth that trade and the 1st overall, was something I couldn’t understand.  

I never understood how they made the trade without having a target as they stated. You know you're drafting a QB but you don't know who. If you don't know one of those is worth the 1st pick yet, how do you move up to draft any of them? What if none of them are worth the pick after the pre draft process? Then you've put yourself in a position that you can't really get away from. Just because you need a QB doesn't mean you should take one of the options available. 

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10 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I never understood how they made the trade without having a target as they stated. You know you're drafting a QB but you don't know who. If you don't know one of those is worth the 1st pick yet, how do you move up to draft any of them? What if none of them are worth the pick after the pre draft process? Then you've put yourself in a position that you can't really get away from. Just because you need a QB doesn't mean you should take one of the options available. 

My only conclusion about that is they either thought both were worthy or Bryce was worthy. 
Frank’s reaction hints that - if they were straight with him - they thought either would do. 
 

My opinion was that neither was worth doing that trade but that was before I even ‘scouted’ them I am just against that type of move regardless  A firm policy  

If you can trade for the pick, it likely isn’t a generational player in the first place, because people don’t trade those. Get a clue David Tepper  

It was such a clusterfug.

 

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[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, strato said:

My only conclusion about that is they either thought both were worthy or Bruce was worthy. 
Frank’s reaction hints that - if they were straight with him - they thought either would do. 
 

My opinion was that neither was worth doing that fake but that was before I even ‘scouted’ them I am just against that type of move regardless  A firm policy  

If you can trade for the pick, it likely isn’t a generational player in the first place, because people don’t trade those. Get a clue David Tepper  

It was such a clusterfug.

 

My thought too. Chicago needs a QB. Why in the hell are they trading away that pick unless they think it's going to net them a better pick in the next year's draft if hy didn't believe in these guys. But they also selected Caleb Williams so I don't know that they cam really judge QBs either, but it still seems like they got the better end of the trade then. 

[VintagePanther]

Just another example of the huddle not knowing talent when they see it . Dude was a beast here and only getting better . Still got people double downing on their “opinions” of him not being for the sake of them never being wrong lol . Been killing it this year and yes we need him or a player like him . You don’t let those type of edge rushers go esp for a weak ahh 2nd rd pick smh 

[SmokinwithWilly]

10 minutes ago, VintagePanther said:

Just another example of the huddle not knowing talent when they see it . Dude was a beast here and only getting better . Still got people double downing on their “opinions” of him not being for the sake of them never being wrong lol . Been killing it this year and yes we need him or a player like him . You don’t let those type of edge rushers go esp for a weak ahh 2nd rd pick smh 

Wtf are you even talking about? We only traded him because we hadn't been able to work out a contract because we had lost any leverage in negotiations after rejecting a trade offer for a player equivalent to prime Khalil Mack. He was not producing as a top tier game changing edge rusher like Mack. He was producing like Hasaan Reddick. He deserved to be paid like Reddick, not Mack. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

My thought too. Chicago needs a QB. Why in the hell are they trading away that pick unless they think it's going to net them a better pick in the next year's draft if hy didn't believe in these guys. But they also selected Caleb Williams so I don't know that they cam really judge QBs either, but it still seems like they got the better end of the trade then. 

Bears didn’t have much more luck on the pick, but they came out ahead by netting assets from moving it out a year.

They couldn’t keep pushing it out every year though.  I mean you could in theory.  But no GM is getting that level of patience while the team is struggling.

Eventually you have to pick a guy.  And odds are that guy is gonna be a complete bust or just mediocre (still a bust).

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14 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Bears didn’t have much more luck on the pick, but they came out ahead by netting assets from moving it out a year.

They couldn’t keep pushing it out every year though.  I mean you could in theory.  But no GM is getting that level of patience while the team is struggling.

Eventually you have to pick a guy.  And odds are that guy is gonna be a complete bust or just mediocre (still a bust).

They scored huge off of us. But when it came to QB they screwed themselves just like we did. Except they had a few more of our picks to wipe their tears with. 

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[SmokinwithWilly]

28 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Bears didn’t have much more luck on the pick, but they came out ahead by netting assets from moving it out a year.

They couldn’t keep pushing it out every year though.  I mean you could in theory.  But no GM is getting that level of patience while the team is struggling.

Eventually you have to pick a guy.  And odds are that guy is gonna be a complete bust or just mediocre (still a bust).

They did but only because they picked Williams. I remember a lot of us pre draft felt Daniels was the better of the two and there were some big flags with Williams that may make him fools gold. But Chicago is the place QBs go to watch their careers die or never really be born, so there is that curse too. 

[SCO96]

On 10/21/2025 at 4:39 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

The only thing that upsets me is that we didn't take the offer from the Rams.

Everyone (I'm not just focusing on you sir) seems to think that trade set the team back for a decade. It really didn't. Scott F was a terrible GM. I do not think for one minute that we would have turned those trades into draft gold.

All you have to do is look at this draft record. Fitterer had the top pick in the 2023 draft and blew it. We've passed over players we could have used in each of his drafts to trade down and pick up gems like TMJ . Other times he'd trade up a pick gems like Matt Corrall and DJ Johnson . He probably would have used those picks to acquire more picks in lower rounds  and choose the players with the highest RAS scores.

I think the season before Burns left he literally had about 1/3 of our sacks. I said it would be a bad idea to not resign him if you didn't have a player (or players) on the roster to replace that production. To this day we still don't have a consistent pass rusher off the edge on either side. Our lack of of a pass rush is arguably our biggest weakness on defense.

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[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Everyone (I'm not just focusing on you sir) seems to think that trade set the team back for a decade. It really didn't. Scott F was a terrible GM. I do not think for one minute that we would have turned those trades into draft gold.

All you have to do is look at this draft record. Fitterer had the top pick in the 2023 draft and blew it. We've passed over players we could have used in each of his drafts to trade down and pick up gems like TMJ . Other times he'd trade up a pick gems like Matt Corrall and DJ Johnson . He probably would have used those picks to acquire more picks in lower rounds  and choose the players with the highest RAS scores.

I think the season before Burns left he literally had about 1/3 of our sacks. I said it would be a bad idea to not resign him if you didn't have a player (or players) on the roster to replace that production. To this day we still don't have a consistent pass rusher off the edge on either side. Our lack of of a pass rush is arguably our biggest weakness on defense.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm sure we would've squandered the picks.

[SCO96]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm sure we would've squandered the picks.