AI Analysis on ideal round to draft certain positions.

[Steves89]

So AI’s big solution is to have all your picks in the first three rounds??

[Khyber53]

We desperately need to pick the best MLB in the draft this time around. We will never find another Luke, but we have to get someone back there that can run the defense on the field, cover weaknesses and correct mistakes in real-time, along with diagnose the opposing offense based on personnel, alignment and pre-snap movement.

And they need to be able to hit like a freight train, cover like flypaper and tackle like a rotweiller.

Not too much to ask.

 

[strato]

3 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

We desperately need to pick the best MLB in the draft this time around. We will never find another Luke, but we have to get someone back there that can run the defense on the field, cover weaknesses and correct mistakes in real-time, along with diagnose the opposing offense based on personnel, alignment and pre-snap movement.

And they need to be able to hit like a freight train, cover like flypaper and tackle like a rotweiller.

Not too much to ask.

 

Too much to ask picking in the middle of the third round. Unless you are historically lucky. Hell you need luck in the 1st to get that. 
 

The devaluation of the position is hard for me to understand when I look at the difference great MLBs have made to defenses over the years. 
Defense needs a good QB too. MLB is the QB of the defense. 

[SCO96]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

There have been real, actual statistical analysis of these sort of things. ChatGPT spit out a dimestore version of those.

People, stop relying on current AI for information. It's atrociously bad.

I wouldn't say I was "relying on current AI" for information. I input a question to see how it would respond out of curiosity. I wouldn't even say that I'm an analytics guy, especially in the terms of the draft. I believe the game film ultimately tells the story. But, even back in the 1960s the Cowboys revolutionized the NFL draft process by using a computer to help them pick (or not pick) players

No one would deny that 2 of our weakest spots on defense are S and LB. I was curious to see what an AI program would pick as the optimal time to pick these spots. They seem to have narrowed in on Day 1 and Day 2, which is the exact opposite of what the Panthers have done in recent years. We haven't made an effort to use our higher choices on these spots this decade and both positions are weaknesses for our defense.

The position of Center has always fascinated me. Take a  look at most of the dynasties in NFL history, or even a one and done super bowl winner. I guarantee you over 80% have a stud manning the center position. This guy is usually going to be among the top 5 players at his position at any given time and often a multiple Pro Bowler.

[SCO96]

1 hour ago, strato said:

The devaluation of the position is hard for me to understand when I look at the difference great MLBs have made to defenses over the years. 

I've noticed this as well. If you have a dominant LB core, or even a lone dominant force at MLB, it makes a huge impact on the defense.

I think as offenses emphasized the passing game, the pass rushers and CBs became the glamour positions on defense (which is somewhat understandable)

1 hour ago, strato said:

Defense needs a good QB too. MLB is the QB of the defense. 

Well said...and the Center is the QB of the offensive line!

[strato]

4 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I've noticed this as well. If you have a dominant LB core, or even a lone dominant force at MLB, it makes a huge impact on the defense.

I think as offenses emphasized the passing game, the pass rushers and CBs became the glamour positions on defense (which is somewhat understandable)

Well said...and the Center is the QB of the offensive line!

We were so blessed with Luke. He was stellar, like the ultimate blend of intellect and football player. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

There have been real, actual statistical analysis of these sort of things. ChatGPT spit out a dimestore version of those.

People, stop relying on current AI for information. It's atrociously bad.

Its a text aggregator.  It basically finds consensus on what already exists.  Its not intelligent lol.

[Jay Roosevelt]

16 hours ago, csx said:

Sherrod Martin was a 2nd round safety too

IIRC, Martin was drafted to play CB but ended up at safety.

[SCO96]

18 minutes ago, strato said:

We were so blessed with Luke. He was stellar, like the ultimate blend of intellect and football player. 

Even before Luke we had John Beason & Dan Morgan. Beason (1st team All-Pro in 2008) was so good at his position prior to his injury that Luke had to began his Panther career as an OLB. Sam Mills wasn't a classic MLB due to the 3-4 scheme we played under Capers in the 90's, but even then he was a formidable force on the inside.

When you see how much of an impact the ILBs have had on our teams during the Richardson era, it's quite shocking that we haven't placed more emphasis on that position in recent years.

Edited 25 minutes ago by SCO96

[strato]

3 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Even before Luke we had John Beason & Dan Morgan. Beason (1st team All-Pro in 2008) was so good at his position prior to his injury that Luke had to began his Panther career as an OLB. Sam Mills wasn't a classic MLB due to the 3-4 scheme we played under Capers in the 90's, but even then he was a formidable force on the inside.

When you see how much of an impact the ILBs have had on our teams during the Richardson era, it's quite shocking that we haven't placed more emphasis on that position in recent years.

I was the Mike in my legendary HS football career so have the bias from that. Joking about the legendary 

 I appreciated all those guys. Luke was the ultimate example to me of MLB as QB. Not the only one ever but we got to see it every week with him and he was so good at it. 
 

I have listened to the radio broadcast the last couple of weeks and he is great as an analyst. Knows how to dissect the offensive plays and what they did or tried to do. Sees it, knows it. He instantly sees it. I was unaware but really was impressed with him there.