QBs that would cost next to nothing and are better than anything we currently have.

[csx]

3 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

It Bryce is still our QB next year id want to bring in Trey Lance as well 

 One guy notably worse. Brilliant.

[ncstatekwi]

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

His noodle arm is averaging 7.5 yards per attempt to Bryce’s 5.8

Mac Jones IAY/PA(Intended Air Yards/Pass Attempt) is 7.5

Bryce Young's is 7.7.

So if you want a QB that regularly targets deep passes, Mac Jones is not your guy.

For reference(these stats only exist from 2018 onward) these are some notable other passers in the NFL:

Josh Allen: 8.8

Lamar Jackson: 8.7

Patrick Mahomes: 7.6

Jared Goff: 7.0

CJ Stroud: 8.4

Jayden Daniels: 7.5

Drake Maye: 7.3

Anthony Richardson: 11.2

Sam Howell: 7.5

Jameis Winston: 10.1

Edited 11 hours ago by kungfoodude

[Davidson Deac II]

Malik Willis is still an unknown, but Jameis (Pick 6) Winston is an interception waiting for a place to happen.  

Winston sets season record for interceptions returned for td's

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Davidson Deac II

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Malik Willis is still an unknown, but Jameis (Pick 6) Winston is an interception waiting for a place to happen.  

Willis is really a 3rd string QB at the moment. He is in a place that suits him, behind a young, potentially franchise QB with no pressure on his development timeline. That is exactly not the case here.

Personally, I highly doubt he will ever develop more than being a middling backup but we will see.

[CPcavedweller]

18 hours ago, Super Grateful said:

Mac Jones is about to be the next Darnold /Mayfield / Jones. Hell, he might even replace the starter on his own team. 

You’re joking right? 

[strato]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Mac Jones IAY/PA(Intended Air Yards/Pass Attempt) is 7.5

Bryce Young's is 7.7.

So if you want a QB that regularly targets deep passes, Mac Jones is not your guy.

For reference(these stats only exist from 2018 onward) these are some notable other passers in the NFL:

Josh Allen: 8.8

Lamar Jackson: 8.7

Patrick Mahomes: 7.6

Jared Goff: 7.0

CJ Stroud: 8.4

Jayden Daniels: 7.5

Drake Maye: 7.3

Anthony Richardson: 11.2

Sam Howell: 7.5

Jameis Winston: 10.1

What we need is not a guaranteed percentage, it is the capability and willingness to roll deep when the opportunity is there, can be a realistic threat to do that, and thereby keep defenses more honest.
And if/when he sees a guy break open going down the field can adjust his plan and take advantage. 
We don’t see any of that really. Thatks about all I am saying, I rarely express it right. 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, strato said:

What we need is not a guaranteed percentage, it is the capability and willingness to roll deep when the opportunity is there, can be a realistic threat to do that, and thereby keep defenses more honest.
And if/when he sees a guy break open going down the field can adjust his plan and take advantage. 
We don’t see any of that really. Thatks about all I am saying, I rarely express it right. 

That metric would be one of the better indicators of what you are describing. I would disagree what we don't need percentage. Hucking the ball deep for low percentage is just basically Anthony Richardson. You see how much they have improved since he was replaced.

Again, I think most are really hyper focusing on a relatively small aspect of Bryce's flaws. His poor mechanics and his lack of being able to make quick reads lead to the overwhelmingly majority of his lack of success/consistency. His arm strength and targets downfield are much smaller aggravating factors to that lack of success.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, CPcavedweller said:

You’re joking right? 

This is someone ignoring Kyle Shanahan's impact on QB's. Before and after, for that matter.

[strato]

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That metric would be one of the better indicators of what you are describing. I would disagree what we don't need percentage. Hucking the ball deep for low percentage is just basically Anthony Richardson. You see how much they have improved since he was replaced.

Again, I think most are really hyper focusing on a relatively small aspect of Bryce's flaws. His poor mechanics and his lack of being able to make quick reads lead to the overwhelmingly majority of his lack of success/consistency. His arm strength and targets downfield are much smaller aggravating factors to that lack of success.

I think maybe I misinterpreted what the percentage represented because I missed the start of that little thread and it was before I had my coffee. I was responding in the context of a certain percentage of the attempts have to be deep, and I was like well no I don’t think that is required just be willing and able. 

[LinvilleGorge]

20 hours ago, Super Grateful said:

Mac Jones is about to be the next Darnold /Mayfield / Jones. Hell, he might even replace the starter on his own team. 

Jones has basically looked like Purdy because Jones and Purdy are about the same level of player. The Niners were idiotic to pay Purdy like a franchise QB. 

[kungfoodude]

35 minutes ago, strato said:

I think maybe I misinterpreted what the percentage represented because I missed the start of that little thread and it was before I had my coffee. I was responding in the context of a certain percentage of the attempts have to be deep, and I was like well no I don’t think that is required just be willing and able. 

Okay. I see what you mean.

I honestly am just not as fixated on that deep pass element because I do genuinely believe that has largely been a product of the offense slightly more than Bryce himself.

I looked at 20+ yd passes(NFNGS) based on Bryce vs. Dalton. Bryce was actually throwing deep more often, which did surprise me. Not a remarkable amount.

I tend to think the lack of deep targets is more the fault of the offense. I think the lack of general success on deep targets, is Bryce.

[kungfoodude]

33 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Jones has basically looked like Purdy because Jones and Purdy are about the same level of player. The Niners were idiotic to pay Purdy like a franchise QB. 

They both are average to below average QB's, most likely. That offense is just a well oiled machine with a lot of nice toys 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

They both are average to below average QB's, most likely. That offense is just a well oiled machine with a lot of nice toys 

Yep, they're both in that good backup/mediocre starter category. If you put them in a good situation they can be effective game managers with limited upside. Put them in a bad situation and they're gonna look like how Jones has looked in bad situations.