Didn’t watch today but….

[CRA]

9 hours ago, OldhamA said:

Dalton turned the ball over 4 times.

See my original post where I commented on the 31st rush D and Rico having 8 carries.  

we knew going in the Bills basically can do one and only one thing.  Pressure the QB.  Sure seems like a gameplan that went away from our biggest strength and right into what the Bills can do.

All you need to see is the box score to know we never had a chance thanks to Dave Canales  while facing the best team to date (where coaching is going to be at a premium) 

[OldhamA]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

See my original post where I commented on the 31st rush D and Rico having 8 carries.  

we knew going in the Bills basically can do one and only one thing.  Pressure the QB.  Sure seems like a gameplan that went away from our biggest strength and right into what the Bills can do.

All you need to see is the box score to know we never had a chance thanks to Dave Canales  while facing the best team to date (where coaching is going to be at a premium) 

Yeah, no, this wasn't Canales throwing the game plan out of the window and going pass happy.

This was Dalton literally turning the ball over or getting sacked every other time he touched it. You cannot win with that, regardless of who's in your backfield. 

And I'm not over exaggerating - 24 throws, 4 turnovers, 7 sacks.

Edited 2 hours ago by OldhamA

[CRA]

9 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I will say.... I think the one thing most of the huddle has agreed on is that DC is a terrible coach. I haven't really seen anyone defend him and rightfully so

The other week after the Rico games there was a movement by a small crowd to say Evero maybe doesn’t suck and Canales is a great playcaller (because Luke Kuechky did some light PR praise) 

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Yeah, no, this wasn't Canales throwing the game plan out of the window and going pass happy.

This was Dalton literally turning the ball over or getting sacked every other time he touched it. You cannot win with that, regardless of who's in your backfield. 

31st rushing D and 8 carries by Rico is coaching.  Rico is easily the best offensive weapon right now and it’s not really close. 

*literally everyone knows Dalton is washed, horrible and shouldn’t even be a backup QB.  

Drive 1? ZERO carries.  Coaching. 

Drive 2 - Rico was playing great.   Did Canales lean into that or go for “balance”? Coaching.

Drive 3 - ZERO carries.  Coaching 

Drive 4 - 1 carry and opted for Jimmy Horn gadget rush (you can’t stick  with the Horn repetitive gadget runs each week and that’s not a better idea than getting Rico going) 

Drive 5 - basically Dalton heavy as the half expired. 

I don’t need to watch a game to know it’s coaching.  The gameplan wasn’t about setting Rico up to go off on a trash rush D.  It was bullshit harmony balance of the rush and the pass and making Hubbard feel good.

[BIGH2001]

40 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Yeah, no, this wasn't Canales throwing the game plan out of the window and going pass happy.

This was Dalton literally turning the ball over or getting sacked every other time he touched it. You cannot win with that, regardless of who's in your backfield. 

And I'm not over exaggerating - 24 throws, 4 turnovers, 7 sacks.

What most people on this site don’t seem to understand is you can’t just line up and run the ball right at the defense over and over, especially when your QB is directly responsible for costing your team at least 3 scores and giving the other team at least 2 more. I don’t think giving Dowdle 10 more carries would have changed any of that. We couldn’t even throw a screen pass without it being intercepted.

Edited 1 hour ago by BIGH2001

[PleaseCutStewart]

23 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

What most people on this site don’t seem to understand is you can’t just line up and run the ball right at the defense over and over, especially when your QB is directly responsible for costing your team at least 3 scores and giving the other team at least 2 more. I don’t think giving Dowdle 10 more carries would have changed any of that. We couldn’t even throw a screen pass without it being intercepted.

Buffalo sure seemed to have no problem being successful running the same toss play against us...

And Rico had no problem picking up at least 5 yards each carry, even against a stacked box

[DaveThePanther2008]

12 hours ago, NAS said:

What a joke. If they just ran with Rico 30 times it’s probably a closer game. Canales is terrible 

Agreed but we still get blown out because Dalton looked like the Red Musket.  He as all over the place, highly ineffective.  As much as many of you hate or dislike Young.  Young would have been far more decisive. 

Edited 1 hour ago by DaveThePanther2008

[OldhamA]

12 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Buffalo sure seemed to have no problem being successful running the same toss play against us...

And Rico had no problem picking up at least 5 yards each carry, even against a stacked box

You mean with the MVP candidate QB in the backfield keeping you honest?

[NAS]

5 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Agreed but we still get blown out because Dalton looked like the Red Musket.  He as all over the place, highly ineffective.  As much as many of you hate or dislike Young.  Young would have been far more decisive. 

BY gives us best chance to win, like it or not. I highly doubt he would turn the ball over 4 times yesterday or gotten sacked with no timeouts remaining.  However the formula should have been to run Rico like in the Miami and Dallas game but Canales had to get cute

Edited 1 hour ago by NAS

[ForJimmy]

1 hour ago, OldhamA said:

Yeah, no, this wasn't Canales throwing the game plan out of the window and going pass happy.

This was Dalton literally turning the ball over or getting sacked every other time he touched it. You cannot win with that, regardless of who's in your backfield. 

And I'm not over exaggerating - 24 throws, 4 turnovers, 7 sacks.

Yeah he put us in too big of a hole in which we had to pass more.  3rd and long with a slow roll out and he tried to tuck in and run with a fumble in the redzone.  3rd and long with an INT on our side of the field.  Then we get to like the 10ish yard line with less that 30 second and no timeouts (even Greg said we have to try to quick throws here), what does Dalton do?  Take a sack allowing us to barely rush a FG out (which missed due to being rushed).  You absolutely can't take a sack there.  Throw in getting sacked 6 additional times with 2 additional turnovers.  He also missed TMac on a TD where Shaq was trying to cover him and missed an open JHJ on a big gain.  Box Score watching won't tell the story yet people are going to try to do it anyway.  

Now it's pretty clear he isn't the upgrade that some were claiming he is, but they can spin it differently I'm sure.  

[La Pantera]

Canales got cute, trying to throw the ball. Instead of leaning on the ground game to take pressure off the backup QB. Also they still don’t know how to split the carries.

[CRA]

51 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

What most people on this site don’t seem to understand is you can’t just line up and run the ball right at the defense over and over, especially when your QB is directly responsible for costing your team at least 3 scores and giving the other team at least 2 more. I don’t think giving Dowdle 10 more carries would have changed any of that. We couldn’t even throw a screen pass without it being intercepted.

Most people on this site get that Rico not getting the ball at all on  2 of the first 3 series is a CHOICE.  And a bad one.  Which outs the gameplan (lack there of being a good one)  going into the game of not wanting to take advantage of a bad rush D with your best player.    

and if you go back and watch some of those Rico goes wild games.  We opted to run.....when in theory you shouldn't of if you had a good QB.  Which is what we should of opted to do vs a horrific run D with Dalton at QB. 

 Pretty sure if Rico Dowdle was the primary RB.....that entire game changes.  Bills couldn't stop him.  He just barely touched the ball in the first half.  Coaching choic.  We probably lose but we probably are competitive late. 

I mean, its actually WILD to suggest giving Rico the ball heavy of and often early vs that bad run defense doesn't change much. 

[ForJimmy]

18 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Buffalo sure seemed to have no problem being successful running the same toss play against us...

And Rico had no problem picking up at least 5 yards each carry, even against a stacked box

5 yards a carry is good but it still doesn't mean you run it every time.  Rico had a couple long runs which brings up the average, over over 20 yards on at least 1 I believe.  Watching the first half, we typically threw it when it was 3rd and long due to the first couple runs getting stopped.  I mean the fact it was 40-9 and we still ran it more than we passed shows me our goal was to run it on them, we just got in too much of a hole.  

[Pantherxtreme]

8 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

You mean with the MVP candidate QB in the backfield keeping you honest?

If Buffalo's lead back was averaging 2.8 yards a carry like ours they probably still beat us by a score of 13-9 or something, but we don't get blown out. 

Allen didn't do much in that game, he just didn't lose it for them, there was no trickery they lined up in their heavy personnel and ran right through the defense.