Why do people think Bryce Young won this game yesterday?

[LinvilleGorge]

4 hours ago, Mage said:

Do you have any evidence of this?

Literally the first article that pops up when you google Bryce Young right now is, "Insider says Bryce Young isn't going to be a superstar, but that's fine." Source

Can you show me at least one source from a legitimate media rep that shows them building a mythos around Bryce Young?  No media outlet is going to outright say Bryce sucks - he's a nice guy by all accounts.  But I haven't seen anyone try and act like Bryce is anything more than he is.  But maybe I'm wrong, and you can show me.

And see, even me making this post will get me labeled a "Bryce Apologist", even though I have been out on him the last two seasons.

Its that he's been putting up some of the worst QB numbers in the league for three years now and the knives aren't out for him. They were all wrong about him and they can't accept it. The QBs they turn on had doubters going into the draft. The entire football media world was sold on Bryce despite his very obvious flaws. Never seen anything like it.

[mav1234]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Its that he's been putting up some of the worst QB numbers in the league for three years now and the knives aren't out for him. They were all wrong about him and they can't accept it. The QBs they turn on had doubters going into the draft. The entire football media world was sold on Bryce despite his very obvious flaws. Never seen anything like it.

And just look at quite a lot of the media after he came back from his benching last year.

Of course a lot of us were fooled by that too...

[MechaZain]

33 minutes ago, Mage said:

There is no "mythos" around Bryce Young except in your head. 

The mythos is that Bryce Young is an elite QB trapped in an undersized body but since they've been saying it for his entire time in the league I guess it doesn't count to you. Don't know what else to tell you.

Until Rico gave them another storyline to work the national talking point after every Panthers win was how it looked like Bryce Young was starting to turn the corner.

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

And just look at quite a lot of the media after he came back from his benching last year.

Of course a lot of us were fooled by that too...

It started during the Denver game after that first drive.

i don’t think the panthers got a first down again until the fourth quarter. 

[Mage]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Its that he's been putting up some of the worst QB numbers in the league for three years now and the knives aren't out for him. They were all wrong about him and they can't accept it. 

Who is "they"?  Who in the media still argues that Bryce Young could reach the levels that people thought he would before the draft?

I mean, nobody is going to come outright and bash the kid.  By all accounts he's a good dude and I think that is why you don't see the media come after him like they did Zach Wilson.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Mage said:

Who is "they"?  Who in the media still argues that Bryce Young could reach the levels that people thought he would before the draft?

I mean, nobody is going to come outright and bash the kid.  By all accounts he's a good dude and I think that is why you don't see the media come after him like they did Zach Wilson.

Being a good guy doesn't mean you don't get bashed by the media. See Sam Darnold through his struggles.

[Mage]

5 minutes ago, MechaZain said:

The mythos is that Bryce Young is an elite QB trapped in an undersized body but since they've been saying it for his entire time in the league I guess it doesn't count to you. Don't know what else to tell you.

But where have you seen this?

Link me the most recent media article or video where they referred to Bryce Young as an elite QB.  If you can even link one, I will Cash App you some money.  Should be free money for you.  I'm good for it - just send me your Cash App or Venmo through messenger.  

I'll help you get started:

https://www.google.com/search?q=bryce+young+elite&oq=bryce+young+elite&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIICAEQABgWGB4yCAgCEAAYFhgeMggIAxAAGBYYHjIICAQQABgWGB4yCAgFEAAYFhgeMggIBhAAGBYYHjIICAcQABgWGB4yCAgIEAAYFhgeMggICRAAGBYYHtIBCDE1NjBqMGo0qAIBsAIB8QUeAO07uoPIQPEFHgDtO7qDyEA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

And why should I care how he was talked about before the draft?  People are wrong about prospects every year.  You are, I am, everyone.  That means nothing.  By this logic, every QB drafted in the top 5 has a "mythos" built around them.

[Mage]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Being a good guy doesn't mean you don't get bashed by the media. See Sam Darnold through his struggles.

Sure, but Darnold started his career in New York and was under a huge spotlight from the beginning.  Do you believe he would have faced the same criticism if he had started his career in Carolina or Jacksonville? 

Because I think one could argue that Trevor Lawrence hasn't faced nearly the fraction of the criticism he should have. The fact is QBs who are taken in the top 5, much less number one overall, tend to have a very long leash.  This isn't exclusive to Bryce Young or even the NFL - it is true for every sport.

[Khyber53]

Okay, I'm going to take a controversial stance here... maybe.

I think that we are told constantly that the QB is the most important player on a football team. And many times, that is true. They can make a team or break a team.

But what if the QB is just one of the cogs that makes the team work. Like the computer in a car, it doesn't run the engine, it just sends the electricity/fuel/torque where it needs to go at that minute. It feeds this, then that, this, then that again as needed. If a team is run with this mindset, and the QB is just there to feed the ball to this RB, to make sure the play gets in to all the guys on the field, to make some last moment adjustments and make some throws to open receivers, then it all works.

It's game management, it's playing point guard, it's the pivot point. And, well, Bryce has been doing that. He's mostly been trying to let others do their jobs and stay out of their way. And, like it or not, the kid has shown remarkable resilience when the game is on the line. He suddenly gets tough and focused. 

Nope, he's not turning in the stats to make the fans cheer. He's not throwing precision strike bombs every third play. But he's somehow there, making his contribution. He's not a star, but he's not bad either.

And that makes it tough on the fanbase. It's hard to get behind him and cheer him on. Even though he's been behind center for one of our best seasons at the midpoint in a long time. Maybe he has a breakout game and passes for over 300 yards and 3 TDs. Maybe he completely collapses in a five turnover, seven sack game. Maybe he just keeps handing the ball off and making some decent mid-level throws when needed. Who knows?

But I will say this. The kid that got just thrown into the bench from that sideline smash early in the Green Bay game got up like a helluva man and went back out and competed. Stats and stature aside, the guy ain't a pushover. And you've got to respect that.

[mav1234]

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From a couple months back, came up on a quick Google about Bryce Youngs processing ability. Emphases how struggles are not his fault but the poor team built around him.

I don't really feel like looking for others; it's similar to various things said across the league.

[LinvilleGorge]

I think you're significantly underselling how bad Bryce has been.

Lawrence isn't very good but he's basically a mid-tier starting QB. A significant disappointment given his hype and draft status but significantly better than Bryce. Honestly if Bryce had simply been the #1 overall pick minus the hefty trade up I think we've probably already turned the page by now. It's just really hard to swallow that bitter pill that you blew it when you have that much invested.

[mav1234]

3 minutes ago, Mage said:

Sure, but Darnold started his career in New York and was under a huge spotlight from the beginning.  Do you believe he would have faced the same criticism if he had started his career in Carolina or Jacksonville? 

Because I think one could argue that Trevor Lawrence hasn't faced nearly the fraction of the criticism he should have. The fact is QBs who are taken in the top 5, much less number one overall, tend to have a very long leash.  This isn't exclusive to Bryce Young or even the NFL - it is true for every sport.

Trevor Lawrence has had multiple seasons throwing for 3.5-4k yards.  He's not the generational talent people thought but he also isn't terrible.

[mav1234]

3 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Okay, I'm going to take a controversial stance here... maybe.

I think that we are told constantly that the QB is the most important player on a football team. And many times, that is true. They can make a team or break a team.

But what if the QB is just one of the cogs that makes the team work. Like the computer in a car, it doesn't run the engine, it just sends the electricity/fuel/torque where it needs to go at that minute. It feeds this, then that, this, then that again as needed. If a team is run with this mindset, and the QB is just there to feed the ball to this RB, to make sure the play gets in to all the guys on the field, to make some last moment adjustments and make some throws to open receivers, then it all works.

It's game management, it's playing point guard, it's the pivot point. And, well, Bryce has been doing that. He's mostly been trying to let others do their jobs and stay out of their way. And, like it or not, the kid has shown remarkable resilience when the game is on the line. He suddenly gets tough and focused. 

Nope, he's not turning in the stats to make the fans cheer. He's not throwing precision strike bombs every third play. But he's somehow there, making his contribution. He's not a star, but he's not bad either.

And that makes it tough on the fanbase. It's hard to get behind him and cheer him on. Even though he's been behind center for one of our best seasons at the midpoint in a long time. Maybe he has a breakout game and passes for over 300 yards and 3 TDs. Maybe he completely collapses in a five turnover, seven sack game. Maybe he just keeps handing the ball off and making some decent mid-level throws when needed. Who knows?

But I will say this. The kid that got just thrown into the bench from that sideline smash early in the Green Bay game got up like a helluva man and went back out and competed. Stats and stature aside, the guy ain't a pushover. And you've got to respect that.

Players like you described can win some games and do well. But they also can't be top of the league in turnovers while doing so...

[Mr. Scot]

18 hours ago, CRA said:

PJ Walker has a winning record as a starter in Carolina.  That never made PJ Walker a good QB. 

You spent a fair amount of time and effort telling me he was