This Bryce Guy (General BY Discussion)

[strato]

Okay. I didn’t say it was Bryce specific. But he is in that group and our issue. CJ, oddly, did not have that issue. Hmm. Again. 

Also you don’t sift through the rejects and pick one that couldn’t learn to play from under center.  
Unless you are stupid.  I mean that would be a reason they would be rejects. But not all of them are that limited. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

3 minutes ago, woahfraze said:

Yes to some degree, but the whole point of the video was that that applies to almost all QBs coming out of college. It’s not a Bryce specific problem. And those retreads you’re talking about may not have learned how to take those snaps from center yet either. They’re all growing/going through that process. 
 

Bryce absolutely was part of the problem his rookie year (and continues to be part of the problem) but Frank Reich and company committed coaching malpractice. It truly was a lost year. 
 

So really the question now is do you give him more time to learn or do you think there’s a better option out there. Maybe there is a retread that would be better for us, and maybe there’s a unicorn college QB that won’t have the same issues. But maybe there’s not.  I have no problem having Bryce on the roster next year or the following on his 5th year option if we don’t think there’s a better alternative. Hopefully bring in some competition of course, but give it a bit more time to see if he can improve. 

Frank's malpractice was he didn't want Bryce. Frank didn't get to choose his QB like he was told before he was hired. Tepper chose for him and Frank checked out. He didn't want to design an entirely new offensive system when he was lied to. He towed the company line and said what Dave wanted him to say, but his body language said it all. That's all speculation on my part but it makes perfect sense looking back. 

[strato]

25 minutes ago, woahfraze said:

Yes to some degree, but the whole point of the video was that that applies to almost all QBs coming out of college. It’s not a Bryce specific problem. And those retreads you’re talking about may not have learned how to take those snaps from center yet either. They’re all growing/going through that process. 
 

Bryce absolutely was part of the problem his rookie year (and continues to be part of the problem) but Frank Reich and company committed coaching malpractice. It truly was a lost year. 
 

So really the question now is do you give him more time to learn or do you think there’s a better option out there. Maybe there is a retread that would be better for us, and maybe there’s a unicorn college QB that won’t have the same issues. But maybe there’s not.  I have no problem having Bryce on the roster next year or the following on his 5th year option if we don’t think there’s a better alternative. Hopefully bring in some competition of course, but give it a bit more time to see if he can improve. 

Also, your big post was about the QB pipeline being broken. Which is the context of my reply. It is broken. I was using Bryce as an example of it, relative to us. But the general idea of it being broken is bigger than just him.

Now would people have taken a QB if they knew it would take him 5 years to develop? I might have have but lower in the draft and not had him thrown into the fire. But honestly I would have looked for a more suitable sized guy with better tools, and yeah that is Bryce specific. 

[woahfraze]

9 minutes ago, strato said:

Also, your big post was about the QB pipeline being broken. Which is the context of my reply. It is broken. I was using Bryce as an example of it, relative to us. But the general idea of it being broken is bigger than just him.

Now would people have taken a QB if they knew it would take him 5 years to develop? I might have have but lower in the draft and not had him thrown into the fire. But honestly I would have looked for a more suitable sized guy with better tools, and yeah that is Bryce specific. 

100% on the same page on context, and whether trading up made sense, and if your were going to, should it have been Bryce. I was a CJ guy heading into the draft, but I didn’t hate the Bryce pick at the time.  
 

But we have to make decisions for moving forward based on that context.  The trade up and what we have up, regrettable as it is given that context, is a sunk cost. We have to decide whether the chance Bryce can develop further into a functional QB is greater or less than the chance you can find a retread or drafted QB that will perform better than him. I don’t know the answer to that question. It sounds like you do have an answer in mind, and it’s that the chance of Bryce being better than the alternative isn’t likely. Gun to my head, I’d say I probably agree with that take. But I’m not confident in it. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

6 minutes ago, woahfraze said:

100% on the same page on context, and whether trading up made sense, and if your were going to, should it have been Bryce. I was a CJ guy heading into the draft, but I didn’t hate the Bryce pick at the time.  
 

But we have to make decisions for moving forward based on that context.  The trade up and what we have up, regrettable as it is given that context, is a sunk cost. We have to decide whether the chance Bryce can develop further into a functional QB is greater or less than the chance you can find a retread or drafted QB that will perform better than him. I don’t know the answer to that question. It sounds like you do have an answer in mind, and it’s that the chance of Bryce being better than the alternative isn’t likely. Gun to my head, I’d say I probably agree with that take. But I’m not confident in it. 

I think the huge deciding factor is going to end up being whether or not we do a 5th year or if we offer an extension, and if we do an extension, what value will that extension carry. 45-50m AAV. I don't see how we can. A lesser value, maybe. It all depends on that number. 

[strato]

11 minutes ago, woahfraze said:

100% on the same page on context, and whether trading up made sense, and if your were going to, should it have been Bryce. I was a CJ guy heading into the draft, but I didn’t hate the Bryce pick at the time.  
 

But we have to make decisions for moving forward based on that context.  The trade up and what we have up, regrettable as it is given that context, is a sunk cost. We have to decide whether the chance Bryce can develop further into a functional QB is greater or less than the chance you can find a retread or drafted QB that will perform better than him. I don’t know the answer to that question. It sounds like you do have an answer in mind, and it’s that the chance of Bryce being better than the alternative isn’t likely. Gun to my head, I’d say I probably agree with that take. But I’m not confident in it. 

I’ve never believed in him, to be clear.  Was against the trade up on principle and once it was done and a two horse race it was CJ for me. No real competition in my mind. But I wanted nothing to do with that strategy to begin with.

I really feel the need for us to be shown one way or the other this year, on what Bryce is or can be. His floor is way too low. His level of play is way too inconsistent and predominantly (taking the entire schedule and results into account) is not acceptable. 
 

Just sitting here watching the world go by hoping he gives us some clarity because I am really not enjoying the state of existence we have been mired in. I just really don’t want to consider life with paying him 50 damn million dollars to beat Atlanta and a couple of other bottom feeders. 

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[woahfraze]

9 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I think the huge deciding factor is going to end up being whether or not we do a 5th year or if we offer an extension, and if we do an extension, what value will that extension carry. 45-50m AAV. I don't see how we can. A lesser value, maybe. It all depends on that number. 

Oh absolutely. If we choose the extend him, it has to be for something more in the $15-$25MM range, and that’s assuming he demonstrates more consistent play. It’d be for compensation greater than the true journeymen of the league but less than the upper half of starters. His current play doesn’t support anything remotely close to what other QBs have gotten on the first extension. 
 

I believe the 5th year option would be for a bit more than this range, but that’d maybe be OK since it’d only be a one year commitment. What’s key is that the franchise doesn’t financially strap themselves by overpaying for their QB play. Honestly, if Bryce can be a ln average QB who is clutch on occasion, paying less money for that level of performance and having more resources to build the rest of the roster may not be a terrible place to be. Sort of a “lite” version of the benefit from having your starter on a rookie QB contract.