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Mr. Scot

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2 minutes ago, Butterflyj30 said:

I'm watching Charlotte Vibe on Youtube and he is basically saying Bryce just can't see down the field. I agree and if you can't do that you can't be a NFL QB

And, let’s not forget this fact. If that pass rusher had not hit Young in the helmet on that opening drive, then that INT would have stood and we probably would have been shut out today.

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4 minutes ago, Butterflyj30 said:

I'm watching Charlotte Vibe on Youtube and he is basically saying Bryce just can't see down the field. I agree and if you can't do that you can't be a NFL QB

It ain't that simple, and he's certainly been able to see well enough in other games.

When you have a shorter quarterback, you take that into account with your play designs and protections. The Saints used to do it with Brees. Ron Rivera won a few games against them by specifically attacking that.

Bryce's height is a problem, but it's not the whole problem.

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6 minutes ago, Butterflyj30 said:

I'm watching Charlotte Vibe on Youtube and he is basically saying Bryce just can't see down the field. I agree and if you can't do that you can't be a NFL QB

It isn't that he doesn't see down the field, he is failing to read the field. On the INT that stood, he bit completely on a blitz fake, stared TMac down and somehow didn't see the defender dropping into coverage despite seeming to stare at him

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Again, see above...

Anybody on this board could have predicted what the Saints were gonna do today. A professional football coach and his staff should have not only known, but prepared a game plan that understood that.

We didn't, and that isn't Young's fault.

Bryce can be blamed for a lot of things, but poor game planning isn't one of them.

Bryce can absolutely be blamed for a poor game plan if the reason is he is too short to see over the line and can’t throw down the field. 

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10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

See above...

Even with the limitations Bryce gives you, there were things that could have been done. There are certainly specific types of players that are geared toward attacking that kind of defense.

We ran only a very few of them, which leads me to wonder if we're even practicing them. 

I already have questions about Canales when it comes to preparation. There are certainly things I like about it, but I really need to see more "chess" type thinking.

I know we have some "mentors" on staff, but it's possible we need some different ones.

I saw “above”.  You’re just going to have a hard time convincing me that a team can be successful without a bonafide starting QB.

Canales is most likely not the answer either but I’d rather have him and a real QB than a new Coach and the midget.

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6 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I’m gonna press you on this one just a bit. Once the Saints locked down Dowdle, how would you as a  HC altered your game plan with BRYCE as your QB?

Same as you typically would against a pressure heavy attack.

Screens, draws, misdirection... basically standard WCO. The whole approach was birthed specifically to defend against that kind of thing.

We did that on a few plays, but not enough.

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8 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Agree with this on most everything, but one. I don't think Chuba makes a helluva difference. You're assuming that he's not fully healthy. Healthy or not, when a team can dare you to beat them with the pass, especially this team that basically only has one starting caliber receiver---including TEs---your RBs are not going to have too much success. 

If any opposition the rest of the way is worth it's weight in gold, they will follow the roadmap and lighted pathway that the Saints used, and the true problems behind our team will be highlighted every Sunday (and the one Monday) for the remainder of the season. 

A healthy Chubba helps. Not saying it cures all ills, but it does make us better.

As to us seeing this same game plan again, no argument...

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13 minutes ago, Butterflyj30 said:

I'm watching Charlotte Vibe on Youtube and he is basically saying Bryce just can't see down the field. I agree and if you can't do that you can't be a NFL QB

Can’t see down the field and a coach who constantly calls plays that makes him do it

…and a qb you can’t use on short yardage 

…and an offense that is lateral  because he can’t go vertical 

it is a poo show.  Plan and simple or Cam used to say ‘simple and plain’

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16 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Mr. S, there is only so much canales can do if a team sells out to stop the run. Bryce isn’t capable of exploiting that. You can’t eliminate that talking point from this conversation because it is THE reason.

I didn't.

I just decided against discussing what's already well known and has been / is being talked about as infinitum.

Bryce is Bryce. No changing that...

... but there are other failures that should be addressed as well.

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