Just our luck

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41 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

You're basing this off of one season as a starting QB?  The offensive line he had was terrible, yet he still threw for nearly 4000 yards.  He has a big arm.  Granted he has some faults but So did Darold, so did Mayfield but they changed.  

Winston had several years of gunslinging as you say.  Howell had one season.  The only reason they moved on from him was falling into Daniels. 

I think of everyone on this list Howell has as many good qualities as any.

I’d give Howell a shot over any of those other options.

[DaveThePanther2008]

So looking at the current standings we are 15th in draft order.  Several teams will probably pass us especially if we actually lose out.

There are 3 teams that most definitely will be drafting a QB

Jets, Raiders and Saints 

Cardinals (Murray), Dolphins (Tua) and Houston (Stroud) with question marks

Browns Gabriel and Sanders but maybe they jump on another QB if they get high pick

Titans (Ward), Commanders (Daniels), Falcons (Penix) Giants (Dart) Vikings (McCarthy) all young QBs but most likely wont' be drafting a QB. 

Dallas (Dak) and Bengals (Burrow) doubtful

I doubt Jets, Raiders and Saints surpass us in wins.

So we'd be in the window for the 4th best QB in a bad QB class. 

Edited 1 hour ago by DaveThePanther2008

[UnluckyforSome]

The little fella will be here for 2 more seasons. This talk all seems so premature.

[DaveThePanther2008]

3 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

The little fella will be here for 2 more seasons. This talk all seems so premature.

I doubt they pick up his option.  He'll be backup next season.  We have to address this position either through the draft or Free Agency.

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54 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am also basing this off of the fact that he has gotten passed around like candy in his extremely short NFL career and the fact that he is largely a 3rd string QB at the moment.

The reason they moved on and GOT Daniels was because they recognized he was not going to be a starting caliber QB.

Don't forget that he was also part of what was acknowledged to be and almost entirely had been(minus Mr. Irrelevant Brock Purdy) one of the worst QB classes of the past 20 years.

This same thing has happened to Winston recently(only 31) after years as a starter. Gets passed around from team to team each offseason and can't even beat Shell of Russell Wilson out as 2nd string QB.

This is just the plight of true gunslingers in the modern era. I have discussed this ad nauseum on the Huddle for probably 4-5 years now. It hasn't changed over that timespan.

I am fine with bringing them in to compete or be backups/3rd stringers. But you need to have a real QB plan. 

If that is the primary plan, it's just going to lead to those 30-40% winning percentages that they come with.

I've seen QBs come back and succeed. If Darnold and Mac Jones can do it, Howell isn't necessarily dog poo. I'm not saying he can thrive, but I'm also not saying it's impossible. 

Many of the problems these kids have are based upon the fact that they are immediately thrust into the spotlight before they're ready. They should be sitting, just like in the old days. They should primarily be sitting and learning, not being put under a buzzer where the primary focus of the higher-ups is throwing poo at a wall and seeing what sticks before a rookie contract runs out. I think this is definitely the case where it's obvious that it's a mind thing--bad decisions and/or learning at a slower pace--than a lack of physical tools. Sometimes different people, theories and concepts are coming so fast that the kid is screwed from the start, and we never get to see a legit sample size because things keep changing too fast. 

So I'm not necessarily phased by being passed around "like candy." If they're some good bones there, we may as well take a look. Being in QB hell, you shouldn't dismiss QBs out of hand. Some of these guys are still young.

I would bet that if Howell were in Minnesota or Green Bay, he'd be better. Darnold is legit better, and Malik Willis looked like a different QB the last time that we saw him.

Lance, Howell, Levis, they're all guys I'd look at. 

To the OP's greater point, I just think they're actually are some guys in this class that could possibly be legit, and it's not as bone-dry as some are assuming.  Even Drew Allar might one day be legit.

[UnluckyforSome]

3 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I doubt they pick up his option.  He'll be backup next season.  We have to address this position either through the draft or Free Agency.

I would be absolutely shocked if he is gone after this year. It seems like wishful thinking to believe that Tepper is going to admit this mistake, pull the plug, and, most importantly, accept the shame that he doesn't know what he thinks he knows.

I can maybe see Dalton being gone. There has certainly been exploratory moves made this season at the position. Ultimately, it has been just that, but I don't think Hooker or White passed through here being eyed as possible starter Young replacements. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

7 minutes ago, UnluckyforSome said:

I would be absolutely shocked if he is gone after this year. It seems like wishful thinking to believe that Tepper is going to admit this mistake, pull the plug, and, most importantly, accept the shame that he doesn't know what he thinks he knows.

I can maybe see Dalton being gone. There has certainly been exploratory moves made this season at the position. Ultimately, it has been just that, but I don't think Hooker or White passed through here being eyed as possible starter Young replacements. 

Young will be here in 2026 but I seriously doubt they pick up his option.  He's not worth the big money they would have to give him for the 5th year.  

[kungfoodude]

56 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

So, who is it you want? 

A solid veteran QB that can be at least outside the bottom 20% of NFL starters and a younger drafted QB.

I don't have specifics because we have no idea who would be available(or interested) at this point. When that becomes available this offseason, I will definitely post up my "wants."

Same with the draft class. I am very down on this class at the moment but it seems deep at #2 QB's.  

[UnluckyforSome]

3 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Young will be here in 2026 but I seriously doubt they pick up his option.  He's not worth the big money they would have to give him for the 5th year.  

I don't think he can be on the roster in any capacity. If/when the choice to move on is made, then it needs to be decisive. You can't just keep him as a backup, with the very real possibility of returning him to action. Conversely, if he is any sort of competitor, why would he accept a backup role, and not demand to be released or traded from the team?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

A solid veteran QB that can be at least outside the bottom 20% of NFL starters and a younger drafted QB.

I don't have specifics because we have no idea who would be available(or interested) at this point. When that becomes available this offseason, I will definitely post up my "wants."

Same with the draft class. I am very down on this class at the moment but it seems deep at #2 QB's.  

That really didn't answer the question...

[Zaximus]

Yeah not much out there.  I always liked Minshew's grit but not sure those tires are worth kicking.  This is supposed to be Dave's specialty so I'm hoping he's thinking about future projects right now (if it's going to be here that is).  

[Waldo]

1 hour ago, The Lobo said:

Maybe the jags release Trevor? I dunno just get someone 

I don't think the Jags ditch him yet. Their offense is slightly better than their D and both are below the average. I wish tho. I could see them trying to upgrade at WR and continuing to build out the team. They still sit at over .500 with a first year HC.

They are just going to have to take a swing and make due. 

[ProcessBlue2]

Silver lining. The ceiling is super low. Somebody like Minshew, Winston, or Mariota could come in here and do better. We are at the literal bottom right now. Like Clausen bottom almost, any of those FAs are an upgrade.

Plus Dan will have another offseason to add some pieces, so there will be a team waiting on them when they get here.

Don’t go off the available FA lists. There are always other guys that come available to make cap room or whatever. 

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1 hour ago, NAS said:

Anyone worth trading a low pick for?

Trey Lance - he is young and needs reps. Looked good in preseason

Justin Fields - showed flashes, maybe the QB whisperer can help him find himself as a passer

QB whisperer? None of us would bet our life savings on that.