Canales is telling us, but we aren’t listening

[Gapanthersfan]

In the preseason games, 2nd string QB gets the majority of the snaps. Just imagine if this team had brought in Flacco or Jones. Imagine the stark contrast if they were allowed to play with the first stringers. Can’t hide your superior backup QB in preseason games like you can with a closed camp. It was never going to be allowed to happen. 

 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, KatsAzz said:

My ideal  plan would have Trey Lance step right in next year as the starting QB and have Mike White as the back up.

I would have more confidence that they could both do the job than try depending on getting an older veteran QB that  are scarce and hard to find.available.

Oof. I couldn't sign off on that. Lance is a bust and hasn't been able to show any ability to be a good starter and White is a CFL/UFL caliber player. I'm thinking more like Lance as a 2nd/3rd string option to compete in camp and get a real veteran QB that actually has a track record of being able to not lose games. Tyrod Taylor, Jacoby Brissett, etc. Something along those lines. Like when we had Rodney Peete and Jake Delhomme. One sure fire bottom third NFL starter and/or upper tier NFL backup and then one gamble player.

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The relief of Giants fans to see Jameis starting this week over Russell Wilson is where we're at with Bryce. Hell, it's where most of us have been at for a long time now. Giants fans know that Winston is probably gonna throw three picks on Sunday but they'd rather see that than this  paycheck cashing version of Russ who just doesn't want to take a hit.

I bet the OC is working his guys on their tackling skills this week.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Paa Langfart said:

I bet the OC is working his guys on their tackling skills this week.

Still beats watching Russell Wilson throw the ball into the dirt as soon as a defender gets within five yards of him, same as it beats watching Bryce throw another three yard pass on 3rd and long.

[Paa Langfart]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Still beats watching Russell Wilson throw the ball into the dirt as soon as a defender gets within five yards of him, same as it beats watching Bryce throw another three yard pass on 3rd and long.

Absolutely.  As someone on here said earlier, exciting and bad beats boring and bad every day.

[Tr3ach]

5 hours ago, NAS said:

I don’t know that he’s telling us anything if he’s emphasizing get the ball out within 2.7 seconds and turnovers that’s going to inherently cause play calling to be conservative.  No I guess it’s possible that if he has Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen back there, it wouldn’t be so concerned about getting the ball out quickly.

2.7 seconds is plenty of time for deep throws.

[Tr3ach]

We should have sent a late round pick to the Giants for Jameis early in the year after Dalton looked terrible in the preseason.  He is basically the exact opposite player of Bryce so at the very least it would have shone a light on how much or the problem with the offense is Bryce, or playcalling, or overall talent etc.  It would have directly answered those questions even if Jameis was bad.

[TD alt]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Oof. I couldn't sign off on that. Lance is a bust and hasn't been able to show any ability to be a good starter and White is a CFL/UFL caliber player. I'm thinking more like Lance as a 2nd/3rd string option to compete in camp and get a real veteran QB that actually has a track record of being able to not lose games. Tyrod Taylor, Jacoby Brissett, etc. Something along those lines. Like when we had Rodney Peete and Jake Delhomme. One sure fire bottom third NFL starter and/or upper tier NFL backup and then one gamble player.

It is way too early to call Lance a bust. That's the whole point. Lance has ONLY had FIVE starts in his career. He was very very young and inexperienced coming into the league. He never had to play with the big dogs until in the NFL. He never had any business being drafted on day one (and maybe at all). That being said, he showed progress this past preseason, of course in limited work. If you want to label him a legit bust, then some of the retreads you're thinking about have to be busts also. We know what they are however, and unless someone is lying, no one really knows what Lance is yet. 

If we can acquire him, we can find out what he is during the same time that the Saints are finding out what Shough is and the Falcons are finding out what Penix is. I'm not suggesting that he is a future starter, but I'm saying that we don't know what he is due to his circumstances coming into the league. Being over-drafted does not set up a young, inexperienced QB for success in any shape, fashion or form. 

I am loath to desire a retread, who will likely win largely meaningless games, and perennially screw up our ability to get a legit QB organically in the draft. 

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Gapanthersfan said:

Dalton was resigned since he is the least likely to threaten Bryce’s starting job. Any younger JAG would appear far superior in the preseason.

BY is Tepper’s guy. Tepper has shown 0 apprehension cutting bait… so give one logical reason why T has allowed this debacle to continue this long with this incredible level of suck unless it is deeply personal. Is it for the sake of trying to not meddle? Please.

 

my guess on that is....

Tepper hires people.  Often bad people.  He is nosey.  He is hard. I think he wants final thumbs up or down on select things.  But he largely lets bad people do their job....until he fires them.  I do think he was the tie breaker on Bryce.   

and I think Bryce Young was largely a Carolina GM decision.  Fitterer, Morgan and their team.  That's how we got him.   Tepper sided with their argument over Team Frank. 

I think Tepper gave Canales the thumbs up to part last season with Bryce.  Then I think they all sort of got blinded that he could be fixed and gave it a go this year.....after this mistake of allowing the return from the dead and miracle.    

I don't buy this unique only to Bryce argument that Tepper is tripling down on something that doesn't work.  That's not the Tepper way at all.   I think you got to fault the GM office the most.   I think that's the team w/ the most egg on their face and the most at stake in the BY argument.  And I also think, Morgan is merely here because David Tepper couldn't find anyone good that was willing to come here. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Gapanthersfan said:

In the preseason games, 2nd string QB gets the majority of the snaps. Just imagine if this team had brought in Flacco or Jones. Imagine the stark contrast if they were allowed to play with the first stringers. Can’t hide your superior backup QB in preseason games like you can with a closed camp. It was never going to be allowed to happen. 

 

The pessimistic side of me says that played a big part in them not bringing in another QB 

[kungfoodude]

35 minutes ago, TD alt said:

It is way too early to call Lance a bust. That's the whole point. Lance has ONLY had FIVE starts in his career. He was very very young and inexperienced coming into the league. He never had to play with the big dogs until in the NFL. He never had any business being drafted on day one (and maybe at all). That being said, he showed progress this past preseason, of course in limited work. If you want to label him a legit bust, then some of the retreads you're thinking about have to be busts also. We know what they are however, and unless someone is lying, no one really knows what Lance is yet. 

If we can acquire him, we can find out what he is during the same time that the Saints are finding out what Shough is and the Falcons are finding out what Penix is. I'm not suggesting that he is a future starter, but I'm saying that we don't know what he is due to his circumstances coming into the league. Being over-drafted does not set up a young, inexperienced QB for success in any shape, fashion or form. 

I am loath to desire a retread, who will likely win largely meaningless games, and perennially screw up our ability to get a legit QB organically in the draft. 

Oh it's definitely not too early to call him a bust. He has been an unbelievably massive bust.

I don't want to intentionally tank. The Lance/Howell/Winston/Z. Wilson tier is tanking. Now, getting them as a hedged bet I can get behind.

[rmoneyg35]

How many times have we seen XL drop a ball, show no effort when the ball gets thrown to him? I think XL alone is to blame for a lot. Coker just came back and seems to be getting into game shape. So we really don’t have but one good WR to throw to.

[CRA]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Oh it's definitely not too early to call him a bust. He has been an unbelievably massive bust.

I don't want to intentionally tank. The Lance/Howell/Winston/Z. Wilson tier is tanking. Now, getting them as a hedged bet I can get behind.

I'd have no issue w/ a Trey Lance coming in and competing for the backup job.  And if he earned that? Well, if things got rocky you could give it a shot. 

But bringing in Lance to be your QB #1 battle out the gate? No thanks. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, CRA said:

I'd have no issue w/ a Trey Lance coming in and competing for the backup job.  And if he earned that? Well, if things got rocky you could give it a shot. 

But bringing in Lance to be your QB #1 battle out the gate? No thanks. 

Agreed. Same with those other busts. Those are hedged bets, not primary plan #1. Darnold wasn't the plan for Minny. Geno wasn't the plan for Seattle. Jones wasn't the plan for Indy.

Those guys just eventually became options due to attrition, trades or winning the competition. 

That's the way I want to deal with bust QB's. As a potential option after a camp battle or injury. Not as Plan A. That's just insane.