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Bryce Young now leads the NFL in game-winning drives since his debut

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2 minutes ago, strato said:

It is fair, but it doesn’t tell us a lot. When one guy could hand off, and the other guy smoke a 2 minute drill, they get the same achievement. I hope for better. 

Its more of a team stat like wins and losses. The way they define it doesn't truly isolate the qb's contribution. 

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1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

Thats what it should be. The last possession. I would even consider the defense having to defend you last score as a comeback, but only the last opposing teams possession. 

It is definitely imperfect. The spirit of it we instinctively know, but then the legalese around the gate keeping just mucks it up. And it doesn’t represent that ideal any more.  

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2 minutes ago, strato said:

I think if you have the lead going to the 4th and then lose the lead in tne 4th, and then come back, is how that would work. You have to be down in the 4th at some point. 

My definition is that you have to score to win the game on the last possession. Your last possession. If the other team gets 1 last possession after your defense has to hold that lead on the opponents last possession to win the game. 

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3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Its more of a team stat like wins and losses. The way they define it doesn't truly isolate the qb's contribution. 

Good way to frame it. 
Like I said somewhere, I approached it as a cheap way to pimp Bryce when I learned that the Giants win last year fit the criteria. 
Then I started looking at it and it is just, it has problems.  

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2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

My definition is that you have to score to win the game on the last possession. Your last possession. If the other team gets 1 last possession after your defense has to hold that lead on the opponents last possession to win the game. 

Yeah. I always thought that ‘Brett Favre had 7 GWD in his MVP season’ or whatever, meant what you are saying. But it apparently  never meant that. 

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9 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It also says it considers a possession starting in the 3rd that leads to a score in the 4th quarter. That's way too broad. It should be determined by each teams last possession. Nothing more.

I don't think that's unfair. It is still in the 4th quarter. 

It's not really supposed to be the sort of definitive stat that people are making it out to be. Just a general measure of a player leading their team to victory in that final quarter and how often that happened.

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15 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

My definition is that you have to score to win the game on the last possession. Your last possession. If the other team gets 1 last possession after your defense has to hold that lead on the opponents last possession to win the game. 

I feel like most of his are going to fall under this category.  I feel like it was just a couple weeks ago they mentioned Bryce only kneeling in the victory formation a couple times his career.  Mostly due to the poor record, but also due to most of his wins being on GWDs.  

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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

I feel like most of his are going to fall under this category.  I feel like it was just a couple weeks ago they mentioned Bryce only kneeling in the victory formation a couple times his career.  Mostly due to the poor record, but also due to most of his wins being on GWDs.  

I think so too.

But to be fair, the defense has given up a few as well.

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1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think that's unfair. It is still in the 4th quarter. 

It's not really supposed to be the sort of definitive stat that people are making it out to be. Just a general measure of a player leading their team to victory in that final quarter and how often that happened.

I think you are comparing a comeback win versus a game winning drive. If you are down in the 1st half until you score on 1 drive that wins you a 7-3 game how do you decide if that's a comeback win or a game winning drive? Is it both? You stat nerds give me a headache. I need a beer.

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2 hours ago, Shocker said:

Haters grasping at straws atp.  If you can’t give Young credit for these comebacks I hate it for you

Grasping at what straws? Yesterday Bryce got credit for the comeback but how much of that was really Bryce? If we're being honest, he threw a 5 yard pass that Tremble took and obliterated the Atlanta defense with, followed up by handoffs to Dowdle to set up the game winning field goal. Was that Bryce willing the team to victory making play after play, or was he the QB that threw the pass to another player who made an amazing effort that put the team in position to win? 

I hate the term GWD because it's rarely a QB actually putting the whole offense on his back and leading a team down the field with pinpoint pass after pass. So let's be realistic and give Young his credit where it's due. In how many of those games where he had a GWD, do you feel he was playing well enough the entire game that you would feel 100% confident he could lead the team from the 20 80 yards down field in under 2 minutes to score a touchdown? Yesterday might be the only one I could say that about. That's not being a hater. That's just what I've seen watching him play. 

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