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I’m not sure people understand how fuging bad it is


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1 minute ago, strato said:

Most throwers don’t want to bulk up the upper body but strengthening the trunk and legs/thighs/glutes all that stuff would help with the going down from two fingers grabbing you. 
 

I am not trainer don’t know what he should be doing just know if he was stronger in the base he would be more stable. 

I mean, he's just a slight built dude with a small frame. Not sure he's capable of functionally carrying the type of strength it would require to make a noticeable difference.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean, he's just a slight built dude with a small frame. Not sure he's capable of functionally carrying the type of strength it would require to make a noticeable difference.

The legs, I just can’t see how having bigger/stronger calf and thigh development would be detrimental, at all. But I am no trainer.  

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9 minutes ago, strato said:

The legs, I just can’t see how having bigger/stronger calf and thigh development would be detrimental, at all. But I am no trainer.  

A lot of guys lose quickness and flexibility when they try to add muscle. You gotta work with what you've got.

I have a hard time believing that several years at Bama and several more years in the NFL that multiple trainers haven't done their best to try to maximize Bryce's physical potential and these guys have a lot of experience doing that in the world of football. This is what I mean when I talk about his very limited ceiling. What you're seeing is the end result of everyone doing their best to maximize Bryce's physical tools.

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5 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Name the last time you saw a QB struggle to get 150 passing yards every game and keep their job?  This is NOT normal and we’ve just accepted it.

Maybe some have accepted it but many of us have not. 
 

The problem I see what the huddle these days is it’s become an echo chamber where differing opinions are met with hostility instead of comprehension as to the point. It’s a big reason many of us OG posters who have been here since before the original site got hacked in 09 don’t post often anymore. 
 

 

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7 minutes ago, jbland said:

Maybe some have accepted it but many of us have not. 
 

The problem I see what the huddle these days is it’s become an echo chamber where differing opinions are met with hostility instead of comprehension as to the point. It’s a big reason many of us OG posters who have been here since before the original site got hacked in 09 don’t post often anymore. 
 

 

Welcome to the internet. It's always been like that.

What has changed in the Bryce era is that suddenly encountering different ideas has been widely interpreted as "hostility". There were the Cam stans who did it too, don't get me wrong. But it was a small handful. Before the Discord departure there were quite a few posters who anytime they saw anything less than glowing about Bryce acted like you were trashing their own child. 

Not even trying to be snide here but I honestly think Bryce's atypical small stature and meek personality triggers some type of reflexive parental instinct or something. Hell if I know, I just know that it's weird.

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2 hours ago, CRA said:

I'm not doing the 100% scapegoat thing we so often to do here.   Clearly, the Bryce Young issue has a lot to do with the folks in the front office.   Morgan and his team are part of the problem. 

Not sure Morgan has had control over what to do with Bryce till now. I am convinced Tepper forced Bryce on this team because of his investment. In retrospect the national spotlight shining on this situation last night may have eliminated any doubt as to what needs to happen moving forward. Morgan had a good draft, but I do think his biggest mistake that he had control over was keeping Andy Dalton. We do not have a capable back up. 

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25 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A lot of guys lose quickness and flexibility when they try to add muscle. You gotta work with what you've got.

I have a hard time believing that several years at Bama and several more years in the NFL that multiple trainers haven't done their best to try to maximize Bryce's physical potential and these guys have a lot of experience doing that in the world of football. This is what I mean when I talk about his very limited ceiling. What you're seeing is the end result of everyone doing their best to maximize Bryce's physical tools.

Well I am definitely at the IDGAF whether he does or doesn’t stage. Just talking about that to avoid saying mean poo about him. 

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3 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

We haven't accepted it. We've been saying it all year. We would have changed it after year one. Frank got fired because he had no power to change it. He didn't even want it to begin with. This is all Big Daddy Dave Tepper and his giant brass balls.

 

You could see the light go out behind Reich's eyes when we made that Draft pick.

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1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

You could see the light go out behind Reich's eyes when we made that Draft pick.

Yep. I still want to know whether we gave him the impression he'd have more say over the QB pick or if he simply thought he'd be more persuasive in his ability to sway the pick but as soon as it became obvious we were keying in on Bryce it just seemed like he checked out. I'll never be convinced that Reich was onboard with that pick and I think that's the reason why we were so quick to fire him. 

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1 hour ago, Waldo said:

I think Morgan is still on and has been on the Young train the entire time. He would be right behind Tepper to push that button

There's no way a guy with an eye for talent like Morgan's - picking up multiple contributors as UDFAs - that has completely revamped the rest of the roster looks at Young and thinks "Yeah that's what a QB looks like".

He's paying lip service to Young, as is Canales, as that was the agreement they had with Tepper when they both took their respective jobs.

They've both taken a quantum leap in their careers because they were one of the few willing to work with Tepper. 

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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I mean, he's just a slight built dude with a small frame. Not sure he's capable of functionally carrying the type of strength it would require to make a noticeable difference.

Exactly.

Footwork, footwork, footwork, footwork.

Stop throwing from your tip toes, Bryce, and you'll notice a world of difference with the velocity of your throws. 

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6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep. I still want to know whether we gave him the impression he'd have more say over the QB pick or if he simply thought he'd be more persuasive in his ability to sway the pick but as soon as it became obvious we were keying in on Bryce it just seemed like he checked out. I'll never be convinced that Reich was onboard with that pick and I think that's the reason why we were so quick to fire him. 

Oh he absolutely checked out at that point.

I don't know what the agreement was either - I assume he thought nobody would be moronic enough to draft Young #1 overall. 

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1 hour ago, blackcat said:

They need to pull the plug on BY, but they'll give him the entire season to 'prove it'.  Besides, who the hell else is going to play QB?  Regardless of BY, nine rushing attempts combined for Dowdle and Hubbard is beyond comprehension.  Is DC really that bad or is he purposely doing this to prove to our dumbass owner that BY sucks?

The problem with replacing Bryce Young is we have to have a QB to replace him with. Dalton isn’t that guy. We have no other young QB on the roster we have been grooming to be a possibility. 
 

so the only options we have are free agency, draft or trade. So we are stuck with Bryce until the end of the year. Problem is we still aren’t guaranteed to find a replacement. The draft is a crapshoot and I don’t see any free agent QBs that look to be much of an upgrade.

we could trade for someone’s back up but I don’t think a lot of teams would want to give up their back up. Then there’s the cost, would you want to  give up a 2nd-3rd round pick for a back up QB?

Honestly I see us getting some other teams scraps and trying to make something out of it. Yes it’s worked before, for example Jake Delhomme, then we seen currently with Baker and Darnold.

Geno Smith is a player I think could be an option. He will have one year left on his contract after this season which should be easy to get out of or for raiders to release him. Hes worked with Canales and knows his offense. Hes an upgrade over Dalton for sure and Bryce  but he’s also capable of a lot of turnovers. The raiders offensive line is horrible right now so I feel like he isn’t nearly as bad as his stats show.

 

At the end of the day he’s just a band aid to a bigger problem we need to fix. 

 

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