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Mike Kaye’s take

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Kaye’s Take: In the rush to blame one or the other, I think the missing thought for most is that maybe it’s BOTH Dave Canales and Bryce Young who aren’t performing consistently well as a tandem partnership together.

When it’s great (ATL/DAL), it’s great, but it’s rarely great. Typically, it’s bad (SF/NE/NO) or fine (MIA/NYJ/ATL WK3).

If you’re management or ownership, I’m not sure how you can watch these first 12 games and say this is a sustainable workflow. Sure, they’ll probably go and have another big one in the next five games but that’s a 20% firework, not a rocket ship.

The #Panthers are a 6-6 slinky of a team because consistency can’t be forged when chemistry is fleeting and fledging.

One way or another, there needs to be changes to offensive infrastructure (fwiw that’s life in an NFL offseason anyway). Even if a playoff run happens, the whole point of this slower, thoughtful process (which does have merit) is to not overachieve, accept, and then sink.

The team has done a lot of things well behind the scenes and they have generally improved in a lot of areas on the field (defense - talent and coaching, development, rookie class, etc), but you can’t just put your head in the sand.

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8 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Kaye’s Take: In the rush to blame one or the other, I think the missing thought for most is that maybe it’s BOTH Dave Canales and Bryce Young who aren’t performing consistently well as a tandem partnership together.

When it’s great (ATL/DAL), it’s great, but it’s rarely great. Typically, it’s bad (SF/NE/NO) or fine (MIA/NYJ/ATL WK3).

If you’re management or ownership, I’m not sure how you can watch these first 12 games and say this is a sustainable workflow. Sure, they’ll probably go and have another big one in the next five games but that’s a 20% firework, not a rocket ship.

The #Panthers are a 6-6 slinky of a team because consistency can’t be forged when chemistry is fleeting and fledging.

One way or another, there needs to be changes to offensive infrastructure (fwiw that’s life in an NFL offseason anyway). Even if a playoff run happens, the whole point of this slower, thoughtful process (which does have merit) is to not overachieve, accept, and then sink.

The team has done a lot of things well behind the scenes and they have generally improved in a lot of areas on the field (defense - talent and coaching, development, rookie class, etc), but you can’t just put your head in the sand.

Lot if talking heads have been saying this

they are not wrong 

 

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I think Kaye is selling some bologna with that take.....presenting fairly even sample of great, okay and bad.  They don't split like that. 

I mean, selling Bryce/Canales as "fine" with the freaking Jets game?  Bryce had 138 yards and they were horrible there.  First Atlanta game? Bryce had 121 yards and couldn't move the ball (they didn't need to but still tried).  Phins? Bryce was horrible and Rico carried us out of the hole w/ an all-time performance. 

There aren't 3 blocks the games fall fairly even into.  It's been largely all bad and subpar play from Bryce and Canales.   You basically give him the one Atlanta game as the great one.   One okay game with Dallas (that was all Rico eating that game and Bryce getting some scraps off that).  The rest bad/subpar. 

The games fall overwhelming into the bad/subpar tier....and that's not what he is portraying.  He is still putting some spin on there Bryce/Canales shouldn't be getting.

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First off, Bryce’s “fine games” aren’t fine. ATL week 3 and the NYJ games aren’t fine. He didn’t do sh*t in those games. The game against Dallas wasn’t great. These folks trip themselves up grading Bryce on a curve. Gotta judge him like you’d judge every other QB.

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17 minutes ago, HaricotVert said:

So that I can make sure Ive got the right pitchfork out - this IS a time we want Tepper meddling in the team and putting some people on the bricks or no?

I'd rather give Canales and company another year and let them and Morgan give it another go with another QB room next year. 

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I thought Bryce did his job in the Dallas game for 4 quarters.  He was not asked to do much but he did what he was asked.

Then the Atlanta game where he was very good. 
 

I refused to crucify him for the Green Bay game despite his sub par ness not because we won, but primarily because of the horrible conditions. Canales was rightfully conservative I thought, when taking the ball out of his hands. 
 

I don’t have much else positive to say for him, he ain’t it. 

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2 minutes ago, HaricotVert said:

So that I can make sure Ive got the right pitchfork out - this IS a time we want Tepper meddling in the team and putting some people on the bricks or no?

Canales flat out needs a playmaking QB.   Lot of OCs do.  I still say Canales is best paired w/ a Jake Delhomme style QB.  Preferably a smarter and more athletic type.  It fits the tree he comes from.  Downfield gambler.  Type that can make a play when the playcalls just aren't there (Baker did a lot bailing out on 3rd and long). 

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