What a franchise QB looks like

[Jmac]

Cam is never playing again any where. We need to focus on the here and now. The situation they are in now doesn't look good for long term success,or even short term actually. They need to fiqure this is out this offseason, and move on it

[strato]

3 years to figure it out and the answer has been the same every time. 
Think they will try a different solution? Bryce and Andy lol. I hope so but it is hard to have any faith in them to do that. 
The Cam stuff, I don’t think anyone is talking about that thinking he is a solution for 2026. Just wishing we had some of his ability at the position now. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

5 hours ago, CanadianCat said:

Just fug off with that.. 

Cam at the beginning of his career dealt poorly with hardships. I dont think thats a big issue saying. 

I also get how his whole persona and how he carried himself/dress was not everyone's ideal. 

Regardless Cam was appreciated by basically every fan for his contributions to the team. We had some pretty special years with him. 

But this whole "we deserve this" cause we cut a QB that couldn't throw the ball anymore is ridiculous and tiring. 

Cam needed an opportunity to prove that. The people that continue to parrot that he couldn't throw the ball anymore because he had Damiere Byrd and Nkeal Harry as his starting WRs in New England yet he still had 7.2 YPA that year with a 66% completion on 368 attempts. He still had 21 Tds and over 3k yards of offense. New England had the most COVID opt outs of any other team that year ontop of Newton dealing with a bout of it himself. Even if Cam wasn't as "good" as prime Cam he still was a hell of a lot better than anything we've brought in since he's left. This Franchise absolutely has deserved everything it has gone through with the way he was discarded. 1000000000%.

Edited November 28, 2025 by Mr Mojo Risin

[strato]

7 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Cam needed an opportunity to prove that. The people that continue to parrot that he couldn't throw the ball anymore because he had Damiere Byrd and Nkeal Harry as his starting WRs in New England yet he still had 7.2 YPA that year with a 66% completion on 368 attempts. He still had 21 Tds and over 3k yards of offense. New England had the most COVID opt outs of any other team that year ontop of Newton dealing with a bout of it himself. Even if Cam wasn't as "good" as prime Cam he still was a hell of a lot better than anything we've brought in since he's left. This Franchise absolutely has deserved everything it has gone through with the way he was discarded. 1000000000%.

Not the fans. We didn’t do it. We never do poo. 

[ForJimmy]

2 hours ago, strato said:

I think the racist stuff is barking up the wrong tree with Tepper. He is all woke and stuff. Not that liberal white people can’t be racists they are in their way pretty racist.  Or can be, 
I for sure agree about the yes man aspect and particularly apply that to Wilks. 

I didn’t understand the Rhule hiring at all. Did not want. But down the line with Wilks, zi personally wanted him, and personally did not see the racism being a factor in the Reich hiring as much as the fixation with offensive minded play callers and copying that trendy model. 

I am having a hard time calling to mind any Black coaches who were out there with the big offensive rep. At one time Byron Leftwich was a hot name who I liked. Don’t remember what happened there but he faded. Bienemy but I never believed in him much, personally.

 I think Tepper basically excluded defensive guys and went for the top rated play caller OC types. And couldn’t get Ben Johnson and ended up settling with Reich. 
Who ended up NOT being a yes man at all. 

Tepper has been a bad owner but fans run wild with his takes.  He wanted Evero and I think he pushed for Brown to be Reich's OC, the post just mentioned moving on from Cam to Teddy and he apparently really wanted Bryce.  He also was one of the few owners willing to sign Eric Reid during all the kneeling for the anthem issues.  I have not got the racist vibe from him at all.  I think he wants to win to a fault where was steps in a makes decisions that his staff should be making, but that too appears to have settled down this past year.  Also for people still crying about not hiring Wilks, I think he is on his third or fourth job since leaving here.  A great people, great secondary coach, and a decent DC but I just don't think he was a good HC.

[CanadianCat]

1 hour ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

This Franchise absolutely has deserved everything it has gone through with the way he was discarded. 1000000000%.

Hate to break it to you.. but most players dont have a lofty and lovely end to their NFL career.. dude got paid millions and now has a TV career because of it.. I dont feel bad that the team moved on from a washed up QB. 

[CRA]

I‘m not a fan of Caleb Williams at all.  Don’t like his personality and I don’t think he will ever hit his perceived ceiling (too erratic and big play driven)…..

but he has actual #1 overall talent.  Like, it’s crazy to watch the vast gap in talent and tools between a real #1 overall pick and Bryce Young

[strato]

22 minutes ago, CRA said:

I‘m not a fan of Caleb Williams at all.  Don’t like his personality and I don’t think he will ever hit his perceived ceiling (too erratic and big play driven)…..

but he has actual #1 overall talent.  Like, it’s crazy to watch the vast gap in talent and tools between a real #1 overall pick and Bryce Young

Lol it’s like we got the top guy before he grew up. 

[Mr. Scot]

On 11/28/2025 at 9:47 AM, CanadianCat said:

But this whole "we deserve this" cause we cut a QB that couldn't throw the ball anymore is ridiculous and tiring. 

My sole point of disagreement...

"We" didn't cut Newton.

Matt Rhule did.

Projecting that onto a fanbase that ultimately despised Matt Rhule is silly.

[therealmjl]