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Official Week 13: Rams @ Panthers Gameday Thread


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3 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

They're both shitty at their jobs. Young is the stinkier turd though.

I think Canales still has terrible situational awareness and playcalling can not fit the situation sometimes, but the much much much much bigger problem is Bryce Young. The two things aren’t even remotely close. 

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9 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Disagree, it's kinda the exact opposite, T-Mac has 1 target so far this game and it wasn't really a catchable ball (as if he caught it, he might have been killed)

It seems clear that they call a lot of plays where T-Mac isn't an option, that he's used as a decoy as Bryce never even looks his way, it's either an immediate pass to someone else or he goes through his reads and never even gets to T-Mac, because he was always meant to be a decoy on the play.

So when they actually call a play for him, Bryce then feels the need to lock in on him.

We're the only team with a true #1 WR who thinks they're better off trying to use them to trick the defense by using them as a decoy as opposed to just throwing him the damn ball.

When you limit the chances Bryce has to throw the ball to him, it's hard to expect him to turn down those opportunities when they do call plays for him.

And on that play he threw to McMillan, 3 other receivers were open. He chose to throw it too the one guy that wasn’t open! 

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3 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

It shows his lack of belief in Bryce.  Now what if we did call that timeout and Bryce did the same poo he ended up doing?  Now we give Stafford the ball back with around a full minute left to drive the field for another score.  Again, it’s Bryce fuging everything up.

Yea, but what if you call a time out and then you feel ok to keep handing the ball off to Rico or Chuba. Keeping the ball out of Bryce's hands is the way to win. Letting the clock tick down to 30 secs at midfield puts the ball into Bryce's hands, who probably been the worst QB in the history of the league going into halftime. I get what you are saying though, because Bryce singlehandedly ruined that drive.

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1 minute ago, OneBadCat said:

We should be winning this game. And the only reason we aren’t is a lack of leadership at the QB position. This is the make or break game for me. Defense is down 6 starters and has us in this game. No more excuses. 

Evero has honestly surprised me a ton this season. It’s amazing what a few additions on the defensive line can do

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1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

Nobody said we had to throw the ball there after a TO.

Call the time out, get the personnel you want on the field and get a good play call in and just run the ball again if you don't trust Bryce to not giving it right back to the Rams.

It was poor clock management, no if's, and's, or but's about it

No, I’m not disagreeing it was poor clock management.  I posted the same thing at the time that they burned 30+ secs after that first handoff… but again, Bryce is such a fuging liability.  Even if we called the timeout, put in another personnel group and hand it off, the Rams are fine recklessly abandoning any consideration of the pass being a threat, even in the two minute drill.  I anticipate they would’ve killed that run and got the ball back with a minute left.  Just my opinion.  I verything hinges on us having a QB who can do basic poo, and ours just so happens to be unable to do just that.

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