Bryce Slinging Dots Downfield

[Wolfcop]

Bryce is maddeningly inconsistent, but he made two of the biggest throws in his career in the second half. His stat line was good today and complemented the running game well. If he can help lead us to the playoffs, he gets another year. Otherwise, we must bring in some competition. Probably need to do that regardless. 

[CPantherKing]

40 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

No. What myself and many others want is for Bryce to show some form of consistency. Vs Atl he has the best game of his career followed up by shitting the bed on prime time. Most of his games have been bad with the occasional good half performance thrown in here and there. What I and many other "haters" were calling for was a single complete year of relatively consistent play from our QB to be able to say with certainty, extend him or cut him. We're in the same place now as we were st the beginning of the year. QB purgatory. Who knows what he is? The only thing you can say with any certainty is he's consistently inconsistent. 

You can say he is not a franchise QB and easily replaceable. He's good, but his limitations keep the playbook limited. Canales designing these plays with receivers sneaking behind the defense and the receivers ability to sell them is what we should be talking about. He has to work 10 times harder than he did with Baker in Tampa

[mrBdawg]

19 minutes ago, Wolfcop said:

Bryce is maddeningly inconsistent, but he made two of the biggest throws in his career in the second half. His stat line was good today and complemented the running game well. If he can help lead us to the playoffs, he gets another year. Otherwise, we must bring in some competition. Probably need to do that regardless. 

I agree with this take 1000% and can absolutely appreciate your ability to have some nuance in your thought process 

[fanpanther]

2 hours ago, mrBdawg said:

We just beat the best team in the nfl and some of yall still throwing personal shots and obsessively hating on our qb still. 

He can’t throw the ball downfield? He’s proved yall wrong over and over. Stay mad haters, he’s gonna be here for years to come

hopefully he turns it around.  the stat the announcer showed all year 2 passes pass 30 yards this game he had 2 .  he played well today did what he needed to defense played amazinf 3 turnovers coaching was awesomr and running game did its thing. he has had 3 maybe 4 good games all year but panthers have won dispite of the qb 

[mrBdawg]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

The TD throw to Coker was a dot and one of the best throws I've seen Bryce make. Credit where it is due to both of them that was a beauty.

Thank you! This is really the only amount of nuance to the discussion I am hoping for. The ability to give some credit where it’s due. We are playing the most meaningful football we have in almost a decade. We’re more relevant than we’ve been in an almost a decade. This poo is exciting. 

I mean I get it, Bryce absolutely sucks sometimes. No way around it. It can ruin my Sunday watching him when he’s off. His inconsistency is absolutely unacceptable. But fug, when he balls out, makes some great throws on 4th down, can we just appreciate it a little? If he’s gonna shoulder the blame for every offensive failure, can he not get some credit for its success?

For the longest time it was the deep ball everyone had an issue with. And that was absolutely fair. But damn he’s been throwing it and hitting it with real accuracy lately, it’s exciting to watch!

[WUnderhill]

2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I genuinely don't think you know what it means to "throw a dot" in football terms.

Here's a hint, it's not a 15 yard lofted pass where a player runs underneath it to catch it in stride and continue running.

"throwing a dot" can be attributed to numerous throws, but not those.  It's throwing a perfect touch pass high and outside on the sideline where a WR is the only one who can make the catch and make a toe tap to complete it.  It's where a QB throws a 40-50 yard pass into a perfect spot for the WR to make the catch.

Those TD's were well thrown balls, I'm not saying he didn't make a good pass.  But in no world were they "dots" like you seem to want to call them.  They wouldn't even be considered "dots" if they were thrown in a HS game, sorry, but just the way it is.

Gatekeeping the definition of a subjective term that has no specific definition is wild.

[mrBdawg]

2 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Gatekeeping the definition of a subjective term that has no specific definition is wild.

Yeah I’ve never heard those parameters for that phrase before, I’m genuinely wondering where he got them 

[WUnderhill]

26 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

Yeah I’ve never heard those parameters for that phrase before, I’m genuinely wondering where he got them 

Idk, but I was just scrolling shorts and this video popped up calling the Tmac pass an “absolute dot” so, unless this is you, it seems like it might meet more people’s definition of “dot” than he thinks. Anybody crashing out over calling these passes “dots” really can’t be taken seriously on any Bryce Young related topic because he clearly affects their ability to think straight.

 

 

[tukafan21]

38 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Gatekeeping the definition of a subjective term that has no specific definition is wild.

I get it, but it's just like "dropping dimes" doesn't have a definition either but is saying the same thing.

They're like what the Supreme Court said about Porn, "you know it when you see it"

And I think you have to be watching with some crazy ridiculous Bryce goggles to think he was "slinging dots downfield" as the OP said.  I'm not taking anything away from Bryce for making the necessary throw in those situations and got two TDs on two 4th down plays.  

But they weren't "sligning dots downfield" and they weren't "dropping dimes", they were pretty basic throws for any NFL QB, not even starting QB, just any QB.  They were 15-20 yard touch throws for the WR to run under it, with no safety over the top of them or need to let them get down in bounds.  They were in essence practice throws with no DB covering them, just in a high pressure game situation.

100% perfect throws for what was needed, which in itself is a credit to Bryce as he's struggled with that on easy throws in the past.  And hell, this literally might have been his best game of his career all things considered.

But "slinging dots downfield" is just an absurd statement to say after today, sorry.

To reach a phrase like that, you need to be firing balls into tight windows downfield and/or tight coverage.  Not throwing a lofted touch pass 20 yards with no fear of a DB making a play on it and just needing to let the WR run under it.  Credit for executing under the pressure of the situation, but the throws themselves were as standard as they come at this level (or even college).

Edited 1 hour ago by tukafan21

[tukafan21]

I'll also put it this way, his best throw of the night and the closest one to "slinging a dot" wasn't either of the TD throws, it was the final 1st down throw to Coker to seal the game.

But again, I wouldn't call that throw "slinging a dot" either, that was just a great clutch throw to which he gets 100% credit for making.

It would be like a RB breaking two arm tackles by CB's in a game and then afterwards saying that RB was trucking guys all game long.  No, there is no definition of "trucking guys" but everyone knows it's not slipping out of a couple arm tackles, it's where you're running guys over and knocking them down.

[mrBdawg]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

I get it, but it's just like "dropping dimes" doesn't have a definition either but is saying the same thing.

They're like what the Supreme Court said about Porn, "you know it when you see it"

And I think you have to be watching with some crazy ridiculous Bryce goggles to think he was "slinging dots downfield" as the OP said.  I'm not taking anything away from Bryce for making the necessary throw in those situations and got two TDs on two 4th down plays.  

But they weren't "sligning dots downfield" and they weren't "dropping dimes", they were pretty basic throws for any NFL QB, not even starting QB, just any QB.  They were 15-20 yard touch throws for the WR to run under it, with no safety over the top of them or need to let them get down in bounds.  They were in essence practice throws with no DB covering them, just in a high pressure game situation.

100% perfect throws for what was needed, which in itself is a credit to Bryce as he's struggled with that on easy throws in the past.  And hell, this literally might have been his best game of his career all things considered.

But "slinging dots downfield" is just an absurd statement to say after today, sorry.

To reach a phrase like that, you need to be firing balls into tight windows downfield and/or tight coverage.  Not throwing a lofted touch pass 20 yards with no fear of a DB making a play on it and just needing to let the WR run under it.  Credit for executing under the pressure of the situation, but the throws themselves were as standard as they come at this level (or even college).

They were both 20+ yards downfield. Do you not see the defender a half step away from Coker?

If you watch the McMillan play, when Bryce throws the ball, McMillan is running horizontally, covered. Bryce leads him upfield and Tmac drifts up with the ball, creating all the separation. They are perfectly thrown balls downfield on 4th down for touchdowns. DOTS 

[ClawOn]

5 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

And actually now that I think about it, the only time he didn't throw a lofted downfield pass, so the only time he tried to sling a dot, he almost got T-Mac killed.

Yeah that was an absolute hospital ball

[tukafan21]

14 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

They were both 20+ yards downfield. Do you not see the defender a half step away from Coker?

If you watch the McMillan play, when Bryce throws the ball, McMillan is running horizontally, covered. Bryce leads him upfield and Tmac drifts up with the ball, creating all the separation. They are perfectly thrown balls downfield on 4th down for touchdowns. DOTS 

The defender on the ball side of the WR with no safety help is the equivalent to a practice throw with no defender in terms of the throw itself, which is what I was saying.  That is a throw where the QB is supposed to just loft it for the WR to run under for the catch, as long as the QB doesn't choke and way short the ball, the DB has no bearing on that throw, just like a practice throw with no DB at all.

And the same goes for the T-Mac throw as well, no safety help with the defender on the ball side of T-Mac.  All he had to do was feather the ball over the top for T-Mac to run under.

And I'm not bashing the throws, he made a 100% perfect throw for the routes and where the WRs and DBs were on those plays.  But making even a perfect throw doesn't mean he was "slinging dots downfield", it means he made a 20 yard lofted pass with the proper touch for the WR to run under it, something any NFL QB should be able to make.

He gets full credit for making an accurate throw in the clutch, I've said that numerous times today.  But superlatives like "slinging dots downfield" is just crazy nonsense for what the throws themselves actually were.

Edited 24 minutes ago by tukafan21