Bryce Slinging Dots Downfield

[CBDellinger]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's relentless discussion of Panthers football and the most important position of football on a site dedicated specifically to the discussion of Panthers football... my god, who would've expected such a wild thing???

The internet really needs a sarcasm font.  

[45catfan]

 

Wide open.  Excellent play design.  ANY starting NFL QB should be able to hit this throw.

This this the only big throw I would remotely call a dot.  Single coverage and Coker had his man beat. The help from the center of the field is way too late.

The other so-called dot. Again, wide-ass open.  

So of the three so-called "dots" Bryce threw, in reality it was actually one.

[Navy_football]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If Bryce played like he did yesterday consistently I wouldn't have a problem with it. He's never going to be a guy who thrives off of insistently pushing the ball down the field or driving the ball into tight spots. He can still play well if he can make a few of those throws per game to keep the D honest it just honestly gives us a smaller margin of error as an overall offense and team versus most NFL QBs. It just is what it is. Bryce has to be almost perfect given his skill set and that's why he struggles with consistency. He just has a much smaller margin of error than a QB with better physical tools.

kinda agree with this. I just don't think it's as much physical as we tend to think. It's his reluctance to push the ball downfield that irks the heck out of me sometimes. Like just give your guys a chance. What's the worst that can happen?

[SmokinwithWilly]

Just now, Navy_football said:

kinda agree with this. I just don't think it's as much physical as we tend to think. It's his reluctance to push the ball downfield that irks the heck out of me sometimes. Like just give your guys a chance. What's the worst that can happen?

It's actually why I thought we should have opened it up against ATL in the first game when we were up big. What was the worst that could happen. It's not like the score was 28-3 and they were mounting a comeback with 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Sling it around some. 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

kinda agree with this. I just don't think it's as much physical as we tend to think. It's his reluctance to push the ball downfield that irks the heck out of me sometimes. Like just give your guys a chance. What's the worst that can happen?

I think it's absolutely physical.  He took more risks downfield earlier in his career and it resulted in more INTs. You kinda have to scheme up his deep shots and take advantage of teams expecting the ball to be ran. It's not a coincidence that all three of Bryce's 20+ yards attempts yesterday came on down and distances where historically you'd expect a high likelihood of a run or short pass based on studying Panthers film. His two 20+ yards completions came on 4th and short. The incomplete attempt came on 1st and 10.

[mrBdawg]

5 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

 

Wide open.  Excellent play design.  ANY starting NFL QB should be able to hit this throw.

@Navy_football already posted this, but take a look at McMillan when Bryce is throwing this ball. Would you define that as wide ass open? Would you say he has much, if any separation? 

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Lazy is taking someone's point and grossly exaggerating it. Like acting like there isn't a massive gulf between less than 20 attempts and over 40 attempts. Like ignoring that I specifically said "beat a top team". We've beaten two likely playoff teams in the Rams and the Packers.  Bryce had 19 and 20 attempts in those games, respectively. Hence my comment that the formula for us to beat good teams is to run the ball, force turnovers, and limit Bryce to under 20 attempts. That's because it has been. That's not "lazy", that's just honestly looking at how to season and the majority of his career has played out thus far.

You're just trying to reframe the nature of the argument to fit a narrative that I didn't make that you evidently want to argue against anyway.

My point stands. You can spin your poo all you want to. 

[45catfan]

18 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

@Navy_football already posted this, but take a look at McMillan when Bryce is throwing this ball. Would you define that as wide ass open? Would you say he has much, if any separation? 

At this frame, no, but it is apparent Tet just hit the jets as Legette gets a perfectly timed rub on the DB and he drifts down field instead of heading to the sideline.   I'm pretty sure that was an improvisation and not play design, but it worked out in the end.   Again, 1-on-1 coverage. NFL QBs are supposed to make these throws more times than not.

[LinvilleGorge]

12 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

My point stands. You can spin your poo all you want to. 

lol

so basically your argument is...

 

 

[mrBdawg]

24 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

At this frame, no, but it is apparent Tet just hit the jets as Legette gets a perfectly timed rub on the DB and he drifts down field instead of heading to the sideline.   I'm pretty sure that was an improvisation and not play design, but it worked out in the end.   Again, 1-on-1 coverage. NFL QBs are supposed to make these throws more times than not.

Leggette is long gone in this frame? And McMillan has a hand literally touching him.
 

What happened is Bryce threw him upfield and McMillan drifted up with the ball. McMillan was continuing on his line until bryce threw him open. It’s clear and obvious but you don’t wanna see that for some reason? It was a great throw, late in the progression, on 4th down in crunch time against the best team in the NFL. It was a dime.

[Panthera onca]

5 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

Leggette is long gone in this frame? And McMillan has a hand literally touching him.
 

What happened is Bryce threw him upfield and McMillan drifted up with the ball. McMillan was continuing on his line until bryce threw him open. It’s clear and obvious but you don’t wanna see that for some reason? It was a great throw, late in the progression, on 4th down in crunch time against the best team in the NFL. It was a dime.

Not true. Eugene Robinson said on the post game show that it was a designed route for him to set up the DB and then blow by him. That is why Bryce is already throwing the ball. He knows where the route is taking TMac.

[Navy_football]

13 minutes ago, mrBdawg said:

Leggette is long gone in this frame? And McMillan has a hand literally touching him.
 

What happened is Bryce threw him upfield and McMillan drifted up with the ball. McMillan was continuing on his line until bryce threw him open. It’s clear and obvious but you don’t wanna see that for some reason? It was a great throw, late in the progression, on 4th down in crunch time against the best team in the NFL. It was a dime.

Legette reached out with his hands to touch the DB on the way by. Barely a well executed rub. It didn't affect the DB at all (DB mugging TMac the whole route, literally no separation). TMac was running flat since the DB was over top of him. Bryce throws the ball upfield, the DB jumped inside as soon as it was released thinking it would be to where TMac was going. TMac ADJUSTS to the ball and catches it running upfield for the TD. Like come on yall...

[Car123]

54 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

At this frame, no, but it is apparent Tet just hit the jets as Legette gets a perfectly timed rub on the DB and he drifts down field instead of heading to the sideline.   I'm pretty sure that was an improvisation and not play design, but it worked out in the end.   Again, 1-on-1 coverage. NFL QBs are supposed to make these throws more times than not.

In theory, yes, NFL qbs are supposed to make them. In reality, not many would complete it, let alone attempt that pass.