Icky Contract Extension

[PantherChris]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

If you look at Brown and Horn's contracts, expect to pay above what he is likely actually worth. This is the Panthers suckage tax.

Ultimately, much like Derrick Brown, he has steadily improved over time and that's what you want out of your young first round draft picks.

He was one of the biggest and most important question marks coming into the season and he has answered it conclusively. He is "the guy" at LT.

Great news, one less position of extreme importance to have to attempt to remedy.

 

That was an extreme suckage tax I suspect the tax will be slightly less after us likely barely missing the playoffs and a winnign season (9-8)

[Khyber53]

Pay it now rather than later. Steady has a value all on its own and that means if you have a top 12 LT, they are probably going to need to be paid like a top 5 LT just to hang onto them.

Give him top 5 salary today and it'll be a bargain compared to what it will be next season.

 

[TheBigKat]

People forget the void we had after Jordan Gross…..

 

We trotted disasters like this out there

 

you pay Ickey and keep going

[Chief Keek]

Pay that man

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

What teams don't pay the suckage tax?  I feel like everyone "overpays" for everyone.  Do you think Brown and Horn would have gotten less in the open market?

Bad teams always pay more. It's just generally the history of what happens.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, PantherChris said:

That was an extreme suckage tax I suspect the tax will be slightly less after us likely barely missing the playoffs and a winnign season (9-8)

We will see but I rather doubt it.

He is a home town guy, though.

[PNW_PantherMan]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Bad teams always pay more. It's just generally the history of what happens.

If by bad teams you mean 30-31 teams then alright.  Discounts are very rare and typically only in special cases.  The Panthers aren’t paying a special tax.  Every team faces similar roster construction challenges with rising contract values.

[PantherChris]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

We will see but I rather doubt it.

He is a home town guy, though.

I did say slightly....  and tbh if we can get anther 2 good throws from brycey in each Tampa game along with a healthy Mayes and Hunt... I could see us squeaking out a tampa sweep....  Hunt is one of maybe 3 linemen in the NFL who can block vita vea 1 on 1  our ground game will be very very hard to stop if hes healthy for the last 4 or possibly the playoffs....  (only think stopping it will be Young not being able to take advantage of 10 man boxes)

[PantherChris]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

If by bad teams you mean 30-31 teams then alright.  Discounts are very rare and typically only in special cases.  The Panthers aren’t paying a special tax.  Every team faces similar roster construction challenges with rising contract values.

There aren't discounts but teams that are as extremely bad as the Panthers were the last five years do pay more to lure free agents than playoff teams, even getting them in the door requires bigger "pay ranges" im sure.

[PantherChris]

57 minutes ago, TheBigKat said:

People forget the void we had after Jordan Gross…..

 

We trotted disasters like this out there

 

you pay Ickey and keep going

People also forget even if Ickey isnt gross yet, hes A LOT BETTER THAN STREET FREE AGENTS. 

[pantherj]

Ickey has earned a good new contract obviously. We do need to draft a RT maybe in the 2026 draft. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 hours ago, CanadianCat said:

The Burns contract is this exact situation. His age and position required top of the market contract. Yet we all knew he was not playing to that. So we let him go and het got that elsewhere. But now as the GM you need to fill that void... and you better not fug it up. 

BY will be the same situation on repeat... There is no option for a middle tier QB contract. Walk or sign for big money.. but keep in mind, We all said Darnold sucked. We all said Baker sucked. 

What are you going to do... 

Fitts fuged up the Burns contract by not taking the trade. He lost his leverage at that point. That level offer was for a top 3 complete edge rusher which Burns never was. It should never have been a debate. Take the Rams offer if we weren't going to pay Burns that type of contract. 

Icky should get paid. Where it will get interesting is when/if Bryce demands an extension after this year. If he follows the trend of 1st round QBs drafted and immediately starting for their team, and still with them, end of 3rd year is extension time. If Bryce demands his 45-50m per season and Morgan/Tepper pays it, I see Icky starting for someone else and us looking to the draft or FA market for a new LT. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

5 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

There aren't discounts but teams that are as extremely bad as the Panthers were the last five years do pay more to lure free agents than playoff teams, even getting them in the door requires bigger "pay ranges" im sure.

Is there any real statistical evidence of this beyond anecdotal things like washed vets signing with the Chiefs or Pats every once in a while?  it doesn't really hold up.  Everyone gets paid in FA.  Everyone gets paid on 2nd contracts.  Its just how it is.  Do you think Icky would make less in FA than he would with a Panther extension?  Is that what's being implied?

[SCO96]

2 hours ago, CanadianCat said:

The Burns contract is this exact situation. His age and position required top of the market contract. Yet we all knew he was not playing to that. So we let him go and het got that elsewhere. But now as the GM you need to fill that void... and you better not fug it up. 

BY will be the same situation on repeat... There is no option for a middle tier QB contract. Walk or sign for big money.. but keep in mind, We all said Darnold sucked. We all said Baker sucked. 

What are you going to do... 

 

1 hour ago, CanadianCat said:

That said, BY and his agent might not play on the last year of their deal.. but I dont think BY has that leverage.

If we somehow won our division and made the playoffs in 2025, I could understand the reasoning behind picking up the 5th year option on Young. However, I would let him know not to expect any renegotiations until the deal expires (end of 2027).

If Bryce became crazy productive in year 4 and Carolina returned to the playoffs in 2026, I could understand the reasoning behind giving him a new deal prior to 2027. Under no circumstances would I make him the highest paid QB in the NFL. There is no way I'm letting BY get a deal that is going or "reset the market"...unless we win the SUPER BOWL.

If he wants  to "reset the market" you let him play out his final year and acquire or draft a QB prior to the 2027 season with the intent to start that person in 2028.