Joe Person: Ickey is expected to be extended, Mays is someone we want to keep long term, TE, LB and OLB are our biggest needs heading into the offseason

[mrcompletely11]

17 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Bryce will get the 5th year option because he probably was always going to.  It's rare top 5 overall QBs don't the option, if not an outright extension, outside of being a complete and utter dumpster fire.  I've conceded the 5th year option argument a while ago, but I'm not budging a damn inch on a long term extension.  He can't get in his feels when hears the outside noise to 'prove himself' only to follow up said redemption game with a 100 yard, 0 TD and 2 INT game.

Actually its rare if its just a 5th.   Its either cut, traded or an extension after the 3rd year.  That is why this is all kindof foreign.   If he plays next year with only the 5th year then its uncharted waters from there.   Most teams either know the dude can play or know the dude cannot play.  For some reason our dumbass front office dont know what he is yet so they are committing to 2 more years of bryce.

 

thats if the 5th is picked up and i have surmised that is still probably the wrong option

[45catfan]

48 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Interesting comment, because i think they expected Sanders to become that big play WR-type.  But we have drafted a lot of TEs, but we have yet to make a significance investment in a playmaking TE.  I can say that we have been using some 3 TE sets and Evans and Tremble looked solid as blockers.  Unfortunately, this draft only has one or two who would upgrade our group.  In fact, I might suggest that only Oregon's Sadiq fills that prescription.  I think we could add a free agent. 

I expect this would give Bryce another option since he checks down so much--a mid-range target.  I think Sadiq could improve the offense more than a first round WR.

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This article also suggests that the Panthers are OK with the Edge situation. That implies that Scourton and Princely are expected to step up in 2026.

FA TE is the only solution this offseason.  We pass up the TE unicorns every April that has one every...fugging...draft, EVERY ONE!  However this draft isn't the one to go all-in. The Oregon kid is good, but not a unicorn.  I've been on the TE1 quest since the 2018 draft.  So this offseason is pushing a decade  for my TE1 quest.  I think we keep trying the Kittle or Kelce route where you take a future HOF TE on day 3 of the draft....kinda like stumbling onto Tom Brady in the 6th round, you know, great odds!  I haven't even looked at the TE FA list.  I'll do that shortly and give my thoughts.

[jtm]

Rico is going to go to the highest bidder and it won't be Carolina.  He's been brillant, but now that the season is taking its toll on him, he isn't looking so brillant.  Fresh legs is everything and Chuba was the better back last weekend.  

[mrcompletely11]

27 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

And agree a 5th round QB makes sense for development. 

I wouldnt put a target on a round, I would see how the draft evolves and see who potentially drops and how you have them ranked.   For example if they have a guy like Nuss graded as late first and he falls to mid to late 2nd they may few that as a value pick.  or 2nd to 3rd or whatever

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, jtm said:

Rico is going to go to the highest bidder and it won't be Carolina.  He's been brillant, but now that the season is taking its toll on him, he isn't looking so brillant.  Fresh legs is everything and Chuba was the better back last weekend.  

I'm not convinced there's gonna be a huge market for Rico. 

He had a phenomenal four or five game stretch, but the wear and tear got to him. I think teams will see you can't extrapolate that to a full season.

Sticking in a two back rotation is probably his best bet, though I get that it isn't guarantee he's going to see it that way. 

[mrcompletely11]

57 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Not necessarily. I mean it is part of the process but its a long way away just based on the body of work to date. I'm sure they want him to work out just to get that part of the team solidified. But like the rest of us they can also see that the plan is not going so well. I just hope we get some real backup qbs in here. 

Assuming they pick up the 5th (which I am absolutely against) then that tells me they are somewhat comfortable with by for 2 more seasons at least.  Which means to me they probably have either kicked around the idea of an ext or maybe even had preliminary talks with his agent.  But if they are comfortable with him for 2 more years, which it appears they are then they have somewhat trust that he is the future.  At least to me thats what picking up the 5th is.  Trusting him to develop. 

 

So I guess in turn, what happens next year if he is still hovering around qb 15-20?  What good is the 5th then?  Hes going to want an ext going into year 5 one way or another.  

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[Navy_football]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I wouldnt put a target on a round, I would see how the draft evolves and see who potentially drops and how you have them ranked.   For example if they have a guy like Nuss graded as late first and he falls to mid to late 2nd they may few that as a value pick.  or 2nd to 3rd or whatever

Right. If a no brainer falls in their laps, then you have to pull the trigger. I'm just thinking this FO has been picking starters in the first 4 rounds - unless they're injured of course. A starting FS/ILB/TE is more important than a backup QB right now. Build the team and then get the QB.

[kungfoodude]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not convinced there's gonna be a huge market for Rico. 

He had a phenomenal four or five game stretch, but the wear and tear got to him. I think teams will see you can't extrapolate that to a full season.

Sticking in a two back rotation is probably his best bet, though I get that it isn't guarantee he's going to see it that way. 

He was a 1k+ back for Dallas last year and there wasn't. He isn't an elite RB. He is a good RB, especially depending on scheme. 

That doesn't mean he will suddenly be a very expensive guy.

Edited 33 minutes ago by kungfoodude

[45catfan]

12 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Actually its rare if its just a 5th.   Its either cut, traded or an extension after the 3rd year.  That is why this is all kindof foreign.   If he plays next year with only the 5th year then its uncharted waters from there.   Most teams either know the dude can play or know the dude cannot play.  For some reason our dumbass front office dont know what he is yet so they are committing to 2 more years of bryce.

 

thats if the 5th is picked up and i have surmised that is still probably the wrong option

Me too, but i think it's going to happen.  I think his inconsistent play isn't $50M worthy and the team isn't there yet, nor will be by this offseason.  We have given that guy the freaking moon despite the huggers trying to poke holes in that sentiment.  Top OL, Two 1st round WRs, a 1-A /1-B RB and decent TE play.   Yet we don't have a 'Travis Kelce' at TE so that should somehow afford Bryce some slack.  How much more do we have to load up on offense before this dude is held accountable to his garbage games?  Hell, when he has a great performance, it's BRYCE'S win.  When he sucks, the defense did bad, missed FG, WR dropped a ball etc...

Edited 34 minutes ago by 45catfan

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

He was a 1k+ back for Dallas last year and their wasn't. He isn't an elite RB. He is a good RB, especially depending on scheme. 

That doesn't mean he will suddenly be a very expensive guy.

Also my take...

Mind you, what common sense tells him and what his agent tells him aren't necessarily in the same realm

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Also my take...

Mind you, what common sense tells him and what his agent tells him aren't necessarily in the same realm

I don't think his agent is going to say a bunch of crazy poo. They are just going to look at the market and attempt to get the best deal.

[Mr. Scot]

25 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think his agent is going to say a bunch of crazy poo. They are just going to look at the market and attempt to get the best deal.

Hope not, but it wouldn't exactly be the first time.