Why does Bryce get the blame?

[PantherChris]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

From the 70s through the 80s and a while after you could define most offenses as either Air Coryell, WCO (Walsh) or Erhardt-Perkins.

The core philosophies of those systems are still around and I still use the terminology to describe concepys but I don't know that too many are strict adherents anymore.

Reid maybe. Harbaugh is an old school kinda guy and Greg Roman is his OC so I'd expect a heavy WCO track. Carroll is using Greg Olson out in Vegas if I remember correctly.

But yeah, with people style offenses being all but extinct at the college level, it's a tougher transition anymore... especially at quarterback and receiver.

(remember one GM saying something like most college guys vouldn't recognize a route tree to save their lives)

I mean I'm an early millennial and we ran a lot of these concepts when I was in high school in the late 90s early 2000s its crazy how over simplified college ball has become.

[CRA]

When XL was drafted it was acknowledged by many he wouldn’t be very good paired with Bryce….which he isn’t.  Bryce had something to do with that.  Bryce needs players that help him, XL needs a QB that helps him.  He is raw and what he should be doing we don’t really do.  

you ask him to participate in our bad screen game and run crisp routes to catch spotty balls?  That’s not XL.

XL just flat out needs to time out physical and run dudes downfield…..and then needs good balls on to of that.  

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, mav1234 said:

Bryce isn't why we lost on Sunday but if you'd have given him credit for a game winning drive had he actually done something on the last drive (and I would have) then in turn we have to acknowledge he didn't het it done this last Sunday when it mattered.

Canales and Evero were the guys I was looking at this past Sunday.

There was also an unusual lack of discipline from our players, No I think a lot of folks blame the guys in the black and white stripes more. 

Brandon Staley is definitely winning in head to head competition vs Canales so far.  Canales did a better job against him for about two and a half quarters but by games end our second tussle with the Saints for starting to more closely resemble the first one.

Not gonna bother rehashing how I feel about Evero...

[PantherChris]

Just now, CRA said:

When XL was drafted it was acknowledged by many he wouldn’t be very good paired with Bryce….which he isn’t.  Bryce had something to do with that.  Bryce needs players that help him, XL needs a QB that helps him.  He is raw and what he should be doing we don’t really do.  

you ask him to participate in our bad screen game and run crisp routes to catch spotty balls?  That’s not XL.

XL just flat out needs to time out physical and run dudes downfield…..and then needs good balls on to of that.  

Dude is a raw dk metcalf.... a quarterback who can't see the middle of the field and doesnt have the arm strength to zip plants and deep posts isnt gonna do him any good.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

I mean I'm an early millennial and we ran a lot of these concepts when I was in high school in the late 90s early 2000s its crazy how over simplified college ball has become.

Yeah, that's unusual. Was it a big high school?

I'm definitely not a fan of how dumbed down it seems like the NCAA has become. I've always acknowledged though that a college head coach's job isn't to get his players ready for the NFL.

It's to win games, and for that you gotta do what works. 

[*FreeFua*]

3 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Dude is a raw dk metcalf.... a quarterback who can't see the middle of the field and doesnt have the arm strength to zip plants and deep posts isnt gonna do him any good.

Lmao at XL being a raw DK 

Christ I’ve seen it all now

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Dude is a raw dk metcalf.... a quarterback who can't see the middle of the field and doesnt have the arm strength to zip plants and deep posts isnt gonna do him any good.

He may have a DK Metcalf body but he's got a Plaxico Burress brain. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

14 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Who in the hell is giving Tepper and Fitterer credit? Funny how left out Morgan he was just as much on team Bryce as these two were 

Well, you're defending the pick as being ok because they knew he was never going to be elite, he was just going to be whatever this is, or at least that's how I read it. And the 2 responsible, Tepper and Fittershits. Didn't mention Morgan because it's hard to say exactly how much he was involved in picking him, but if you've seen anything ive posted regarding his GM'ing, this draft looking positive is about the only good thing you'll find me saying. I think the way he's built this team is a hand grenade waiting to pull the pin. It's not sustainable, it never was, last year's draft was a draft was hot garbage and we would have done better letting a chicken pecking at random balls make our selection. I'm no Morgan fan and think the only reason he has the job is he's the only one who would actually take it.

[Jackson113.2]

Canalas needs a gunslinger in my opinion.  Someone to hand off the ball and then throw long play action passes. Bryce was never that guy. I don't think Bryce fits with Canalas schemes. 

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's a philosophical take. Whether or not he deserves a huge amount of blame for a certain game (specifically, the last one) isn't really a philosophical question.

But since you posit that as an NFL quarterback he deserves a lot of blame for losses, can I assume that you'll also affirm he deserves a lot of credit for wins?

(that would be consistent logic) 

It's like poker, you can misplay a hand and win and you can play a hand perfectly and lose. Over the course of an entire tournament, the players who play better tend to do better. 

So, sometimes Bryce doesn't deserve all the credit for a win just like he sometimes doesn't deserve all the blame for a loss.

Now what he DOES deserve a lot of blame for is his career 13-28 record. Turns out, he's very bad!

Edited 1 hour ago by kungfoodude

[electro's horse]

Loving the historical revisionism about a first overall player we spent multiple first round picks on

”actually he was always going to be late career Jeff Garcia”

Edited 1 hour ago by electro's horse

[kungfoodude]

Just now, electro's horse said:

Loving the historical revisionism about a first overall player we spent multiple first round picks on

”actually he was always going to be late career Jeff Garcia”

If people can't see how bad he is now, I am just not really sure what else it is going to take.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Loving the historical revisionism about a first overall player we spent multiple first round picks on

”actually he was always going to be late career Jeff Garcia”

Hes just like drew brees

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Hes just like drew brees

I had someone argue with me the other day that his career had been similar through three seasons of starting. I mean....define "similar." It definitely hasn't been statistically nor results.