Why does Bryce get the blame?

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I meant write off in the entire class being absolute garbage and that being on Dan 

FA was pretty solid but Dan and Brandt handing out one big terrible contract to Turk Wharton. Milton was their top target and the pivot from Milton to Turk while paying Turk what they did was insane. 

Id LOVE to know had we not paid Turk what type of contract he would’ve received. 3/30 mayyyybe? This is someone Brandt obviously vouched for. 

I’ve watched a few of Tilis’ interviews now. One with Jourdan and one with Yates. He’s a big Moneyball fan. Giving Turk the deal they gave him is the complete opposite of the whole Moneyball idea. They paid a dude who they saw some potential in money that you’d pay someone that has actually made an impact 

The Turk signing never made any sense. Turk was basically a five tech pass rush specialist in KC benefitting from playing beside one of the best all around DTs in the league. He didn't fit our scheme at all. It was baffling. 

Just another example of a dumb ole Huddler seeing something obvious that our decision makers were evidently blind to.

 

 

[CRA]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

The Turk signing never made any sense. Turk was basically a five tech pass rush specialist in KC benefitting from playing beside one of the best all around DTs in the league. He didn't fit our scheme at all. It was baffling. 

Just another example of a dumb ole Huddler seeing something obvious that our decision makers were evidently blind to.

 

 

To me, the Tepper era is defined by random parts and then acting confused when things that don't fit, don't fit. 

[CRA]

sports IMO at all levels is a much more simplistic thing to figure out than so many pretend it is. 

It's sort like Greg Olsen was saying.....coaching at every level of the sport is basically the same lol.  From his kid to the NFL.  Now does the NFL have some complex schemes and play designs? Sure. 

But Bryce Young wasn't a fit for Frank or Canales....and close to have the board has basically wished both true from the start when it was always glaring mismatches. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

But Bryce Young wasn't a fit for Frank or Canales....and close to have the board has basically wished both true from the start when it was always glaring mismatches. 

Bryce Young isn’t a fit for anyone’s offense.  

[PantherChris]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

I had someone argue with me the other day that his career had been similar through three seasons of starting. I mean....define "similar." It definitely hasn't been statistically nor results.

Completely different eras of football too Brees first three seasons were before the no contact after 5 yards rule.... when DBS could mug WRs all the way down the feild....  Bryce would struggle to average 50 yards passing a game in that era.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Bryce Young isn’t a fit for anyone’s offense.  

Said when he was drafted, there was a Cam Newton aspect to him.....you almost had to go all in on a one of one offense made just for him.  We made it clear we were never going to do that and therefore the entire thing was pointless.  Putting him in Frank's offense and than Canales O is just mind boggling.  

 I was pro Bryce for a minute.  But once it was clear we were just inserting him into traditional offenses and playcallers? Well, it was time to move on yesterday. 

[ForJimmy]

49 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I agree this draft class doesn’t excite me much either

If we’re picking in that 14-18 range based on what’s most likely available CB, ILB, TE or even WR make most sense

I don’t think Morgan has the time to wait on another edge to develop. I think he goes and grabs a proven one to make an immediate impact 

They’re really not. Size meaning durability. No one ever thought this dude would be trucking people or breaking tackles in the pocket. People thought he’d get broken in half after taking his first sack/hit

He’s one of the better QB’s at avoiding sacks this year 

I could see us making a trade for Thibs from NYG.  A 2nd plus 4th and maybe some late round swaps?  NYG isn't going to want to pay him with Burns making his money and they just drafter Carter in the top 5.  Thibs is due a contract after this 2026 year.

[PNW_PantherMan]

Just now, CRA said:

Said when was drafted, there was a Cam Newton aspect to him.....you almost had to go all in on a one of one offense made just for him.  We made clear we were never going to do that and therefore the entire thing was pointless.  Putting him in Frank's offense and than Canales O is just mind boggling.  

 I was pro Bryce for a minute.  But once it was clear we were just inserting him into traditional offenses and playcallers? Well, it was time to move on yesterday. 

Yea he’s bizzaro Cam Newton.  The scheme that works best for Bryce is the one where he doesn’t have to do anything.  That’s not a scheme that works in the NFL.

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

If people can't see how bad he is now, I am just not really sure what else it is going to take.

It’s religious for people at this point. Not getting anywhere with it. 

[PantherChris]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, that's unusual. Was it a big high school?

I'm definitely not a fan of how dumbed down it seems like the NCAA has become. I've always acknowledged though that a college head coach's job isn't to get his players ready for the NFL.

It's to win games, and for that you gotta do what works. 

Yea it was a big school my freshman and Sophmore years were in a 5aa school in Texas, but even here in central NC at my decent sized school in wake county we ran what power heavy guard pulling, iForm 13 personal and 12 personal with a pretty advanced coryell style PA attack (granted my school in texas we were state champs) and Here in east wake we lost the 4AA semi finals, so these were both "football schools"  the offenses and defenses we ran back then are 20x more complex than what you see out of power conference schools now...  its crazy.

[PantherChris]

3 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Yea he’s bizzaro Cam Newton.  The scheme that works best for Bryce is the one where he doesn’t have to do anything.  That’s not a scheme that works in the NFL.

I'm not sure there is a scheme that "works best" for Bryce that involves more that the 8 passes chris weike through vs the falcons way back when ahhh the wildcat 95% of snaps maybe?

[PNW_PantherMan]

1 minute ago, PantherChris said:

I'm not sure there is a scheme that "works best" for Bryce that involves more that the 8 passes chris weike through vs the falcons way back when ahhh the wildcat 95% of snaps maybe?

The only thing he brings to the table are his shortcomings 

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Completely different eras of football too Brees first three seasons were before the no contact after 5 yards rule.... when DBS could mug WRs all the way down the feild....  Bryce would struggle to average 50 yards passing a game in that era.

poo, most of our WR's would be getting absolutely annihilated too.

[strato]

The only offense fit for Bryce is his college one. And we know, or should know, that will not work in the NFL.