Why does Bryce get the blame?

[CRA]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Don't need to...or can't?

This is a pretty basic question, Football 101 level, honestly.

You're not even gonna try to answer it?

No need when you can't acknowledge basics.  That's only fitting in a Mr. Scot world.   And we don't live in that world. 

24th ranked offense

25th ranked passing offense

26th comp %

Top 10 in bad throw %

*and there are a LOT of people helping Bryce out this year in the NFL sucking in 2025 

 

 

[Mr. Scot]

@CRAWould it help if I put names to it?

Late 80s, early 90s: Joe Montana and Steve Bono were both quarterbacks for the San Francisco 49ers. Montana was the starter, Bono was a backup.

Why was Montana the starter and not Bono?

Did they have different styles, or was it differing levels of ability? 

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

@CRAWould it help if I put names to it?

Late 80s, early 90s: Joe Montana and Steve Bono were both quarterbacks for the San Francisco 49ers. Montana was the starter, Bono was a backup.

Why was Montana the starter and not Bono?

Did they have different styles, or was it differing levels of ability? 

I got zero interest in talking about other QBs and teams when we could just talk about the unicorn that is Bryce Young and his unproductive nature in our offense.   

24th ranked offense

25th ranked passing offense

26th comp %

Top 10 in bad throw %

that's not a fit.  If you want to say it is, I'm not following you down other roads. 

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

I got zero interest in talking about other QBs and teams when we could just talk about the unicorn that is Bryce Young and his unproductive nature in our offense.   

24th ranked offense

25th ranked passing offense

26th comp %

Top 10 in bad throw %

that's not a fit.  If you want to say it is, I'm not following you down other roads. 

Okay, looks like you've failed the quiz, so here's the answers

Joe Montana and Steve Bono were the same style player with similar skill sets. One was just better than the other. 

Brett Favre and Rex Grossman were also the same type of player. Again, one was demonstrably higher in ability than the other. 

Hell, Tom Brady and Teddy Bridgewater were even the same style of player. One has numerous Super Bowl rings and the other is coacing a high school team.

What's the difference?

Ability

All of these examples show the distinction between style, skill set, and playing ability. 

If you still can't understand that after this many examples and damn near remedial level explanations, not much more I could tell you. Heck, you probably don't even have to know football to understand what I'm saying. It's just basic analysis.

But then, as the saying goes, I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you

Edited 15 hours ago by Mr. Scot

[fanpanther]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

I got zero interest in talking about other QBs and teams when we could just talk about the unicorn that is Bryce Young and his unproductive nature in our offense.   

24th ranked offense

25th ranked passing offense

26th comp %

Top 10 in bad throw %

that's not a fit.  If you want to say it is, I'm not following you down other roads. 

and there are alot of bad qbs this year.  take out the atlanta games and his year has truly been bad.  no other panthers qb has ever had the mile long leash that byoung has gotten and i expect him to be the panthers starter for 2 more years and still just be the byoung he has proven to be over 3 years now. 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, fanpanther said:

and there are alot of bad qbs this year.  take out the atlanta games and his year has truly been bad.  no other panthers qb has ever had the mile long leash that byoung has gotten and i expect him to be the panthers starter for 2 more years and still just be the byoung he has proven to be over 3 years now. 

the insane leash and the defense of him is about as unique as Bryce is himself.  One of one. 

170 yards, maybe a TD, maybe a turnover.  That's Bryce Young.  The good day variant. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

the insane leash and the defense of him is about as unique as Bryce is himself.  One of one. 

170 yards, maybe a TD, maybe a turnover.  That's Bryce Young.  The good day variant. 

Not a defense of him...an understanding of the problem.

(something you seem to be lacking right now)

Bryce in a Canales offense is not an example of a stylistic mismatch, but I can give you one if that helps.

When he was playing for the Panthers, Cam Newton sat under OC's running Coryell type offenses. Newton had a big arm and was a strong runner. He fit into that sort of attack very well.

Then he goes to New England, where at the time they were running an Earhardt-Perkins system (similar to WCO In a lot of what they do but very different terminology).

The Patriot offenses back then were heavily based on timing and rhythm style passing, not something that Newton was especially well suited for.

So he washed out at New England, not because he had poor ability (his abilities had been on display here on a regular basis) but because he didn't fit what they wanted to do with their offense.

I always go back to Jeff Garcia as one of the prime examples of this issue. Garcia in a WCO looked like a world beater. Put him in any other scheme though...yikes! 

So again, Young's issues here have nothing to do with any failure to mesh with Canales. Hell, is say Canales has actually done pretty well at adapting his system to who he has rather than trying to jam square pegs into round holes.

Again, it doesn't take an elite level of football knowledge to get this. It's pretty basic.

But if you're not even capable of understanding what the real problem is, how are you going to know you to find the right solution?

[Jackson113.2]

I don't see how anyone that watched Panthers football in the past 3 years could argue for Bryce young.  It's been terrible.  We had more offense under Teddy 2 gloves.

[Jackson113.2]

[Jackson113.2]

[frankw]

10 minutes ago, Jackson113.2 said:

[ForJimmy]

32 minutes ago, Jackson113.2 said:

Weren’t we favored vs the Jets?

[Khyber53]

This keeps coming up a lot:

Why does Canales give Bryce such a long leash? Why does he keep putting him out there.

There's one really important answer here. It doesn't cherry pick a game, it doesn't take into account draft position, or even height and weight.

The number one reason Dave Canales keeps starting Bryce Young is:

The QB bench.

Look at it. Look at it.

That is one dusty ass bench. The Red Rifle can no longer be reloaded. And there's literally no one else there. We've shuffled the practice squad guys a couple of times for QB prospects and they can't even claim a jersey.

That's management, not coaching. 

[csx]

17 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Weren’t we favored vs the Jets?

Yes. Favored by 1.5 on the road. No idea where these things come from. Still pretty bad though. 

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/panthers/2025/10/18/nfl-week-7-panthers-vs-jets-betting-odds-tips-trends-10-19-2025/86770681007/