Cam Positive vs. Cam Negative

[micnificent28]

he ran a 4.61

[Happy Panther]

Oh damn, how about some fail pics!

they have those on the internets

[Urrymonster]

he ran a 4.61

So just 0.02 seconds slower than Newton.

Interesting how the agility drills turn out, if they do them, because Newton may have lost the one thing that was separating him from the pack.

Now I don't deny he is actually a more athletic person, that does beg the question why his time was slower than was expected. Injury, poor preparation, 'off-day'?

Regardless, despite not throwing, Gabbert has inched further ahead.

[Mr. Scot]

I've come to the conclusion that while Cam may have a very high ceiling, he's going to be a project and we don't need to spend the # 1 overall pick on a guy that's going to need the amount of work Cam will need before he can contribute.

Pretty much.

The best thing that could happen to him would be to go to a team with an established starter so he could sit and learn for a couple of years.

That's not us. Nor is it going to be by draft day.

[Happy Panther]

Why not draft him and sign a vet?

[Mr. Scot]

Why not draft him and sign a vet?

If we sign a veteran starter, why use the #1 on a QB project? We already have that. Use the #1 to pick something else.

And let's be clear on terms here. "Free agent veteran" and "established starter" are not the same thing. A guy like Tony Romo, Eli Manning or Matt Schaub is an "established starter", meaning they've been with their teams for a while and are unquestioned in their status. A new free agent signing would be no more established as a Panthers starter than a rookie draft pick, just more acclimated to the pro game.

[Happy Panther]

If we sign a veteran starter, why use the #1 on a QB project? We already have that. Use the #1 to pick something else.

And let's be clear on terms here. "Free agent veteran" and "established starter" are not the same thing. A guy like Tony Romo, Eli Manning or Matt Schaub is an "established starter", meaning they've been with their teams for a while and are unquestioned in their status. A new free agent signing would be no more established as a Panthers starter than a rookie draft pick, just more acclimated to the pro game.

No I hear ya but i would say that Clausen has moved from project to likely bust (I hope its not true but that's my opinion)...i.e. for all intents we have 0 legitimate QBs on the roster.

So lets draft a better project but give him some support in a vet. And maybe Cam or Clausen will become our established starter.

[Millions]

No I hear ya but i would say that Clausen has moved from project to likely bust (I hope its not true but that's my opinion)...i.e. for all intents we have 0 legitimate QBs on the roster.

So lets draft a better project but give him some support in a vet. And maybe Cam or Clausen will become our established starter.

Agreed...

[Mr. Scot]

No I hear ya but i would say that Clausen has moved from project to likely bust (I hope its not true but that's my opinion)...i.e. for all intents we have 0 legitimate QBs on the roster.

So lets draft a better project but give him some support in a vet. And maybe Cam or Clausen will become our established starter.

I don't really think Clausen is the guy either (especially not given the offensive attack we'll be running) but objectively speaking, we don't know jack about how good he will or won't be based on last season. The whole situation was a mess, and the more I read the more I realize that the parts of the mess we've been able to see were probably just the tip of the iceberg.

I have a really hard time basing any solid evaluation on that crapstorm of a season.

[Pox 08]

Yep.. it pretty much is a tedious back and forth.

rabble rabble rabble Newton is a bastard rabble rabble -insignificant reason-

rabble rabble rabble Newton is a true franchise qb and would make an amazing face for the franchise rabble rabble -insignificant reason-

[grateflday]

exactly which is why its a better choice for a team with a starter in place to draft him. he can sit, develop and wait his turn.

if done correctly, he'll show up in 3 or 4 years. dallas sounds like a landing place, maybe new orleans, new england.....

but with the work needed, he won't be successful starting immediately. clausen was trained in a pro style offense and bombed. newton wasn't, so he'd be tremendously better than clausen? doubtful.

mark it here, newton will NOT be the #1 overall pick. end/

I am still trying to understand this arguement against the Panthers drafting Cam Newton. What are your plans for this team to have a long term solution at QB? Many want to wait till next years draft. I can see that if Hurney and the rest just dont think Cam can be the guy BUT if they do think so then you have to pick him. The chances of a drafting QB next year to come in and start right away is very unlikely or be very good if he did. It will take that person several years himself, most likely. By that time that QB could be the guy it would already be Cam's 2 or 3rd season anyway. If the Panthers wait till next years draft it is not going to happen any quicker.

[Catalyst]

I don't think it'll take Cam 2-3 years to adjust. I think once he gets into a system and is developing chemistry with his WR's he'll learn quickly enough that he can likely start opening day 2012, if not a game or two at the end of 2011 like The Golden Calf of Bristol.

Now, that's not to say he'll hit the ground running in 2012; it'll probably be like a normal rookie season even though he'd be in year 2, but still.

[JawnyBlaze]

If Hurney & Co. actually believe he can be the franchise QB of this team, then sure please draft him. In my opinion, that likelihood was diminished this weekend - mostly due to comparatively poor throwing. He certainly has a chance to redeem himself and bring his stock back up, but if the draft were next weekend I'm pretty sure Cam WOULDN'T be our pick.

I am still trying to understand this arguement against the Panthers drafting Cam Newton. What are your plans for this team to have a long term solution at QB? Many want to wait till next years draft. I can see that if Hurney and the rest just dont think Cam can be the guy BUT if they do think so then you have to pick him. The chances of a drafting QB next year to come in and start right away is very unlikely or be very good if he did. It will take that person several years himself, most likely. By that time that QB could be the guy it would already be Cam's 2 or 3rd season anyway. If the Panthers wait till next years draft it is not going to happen any quicker.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

It just seems like every one that is for cam newton only sees that we have major concerns at the qb position and is prepared to reach at all costs. Cam Newton IS NOT a #1 pick. He wasn't even rated the #1 qb coming out of college (after luck decided to go back to school) Gabbert was. And why did Cam all of a sudden move up on draft boards? Because he runs his mouth to the media and had a good closed workout session? After today watching Cam throw it just seems like what I watched wasn't a #1 overall pick. I think I would continue to put Gabbert ahead of Newton because Gabbert probably knew he isnt in danger of being passed by Cam so he opted not to throw and I think today sort of proved that theory correct

Basically it seems like every one is blinded by the fact that qb is our biggest need and see how much upside cam could potentially have. But they don't see how much downside he has either. Stick with Clausen for one more year give him a legitamate shot I don't blame him for doing bad last year what rookie qb would have succeeded in that situation? Peyton Manning sure as hell wouldn't of.