Wild Card QB Performance Rankings

[PootieNunu]

4 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Why do you guys keep saying this? I already know this. My post was in terms of the chart and the OP's point which was mainly based upon Bryce's "Total QBR." Even if you dislike QBR, you must dislike Total QBR either the same or worse because it's more subjective, as it's based upon opponents.

I generally don't believe that you can use any of these rankings or stats within a vacuum, but at least I know what passer rating is based on, and I can always peruse raw stats by myself. All of these metrics, stats and ultimately rankings should be juxtaposed against contextual perspectives in my opinion, otherwise you can come away with some wildly varied, or even misguided, opinions and judgements.

 

I dislike made up stats that are being used to blow smoke up our ass. 

BTT, GWD, QBR

[TD alt]

15 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

I dislike made up stats that are being used to blow smoke up our ass. 

BTT, GWD, QBR

I don't hate the stats, I may "hate" how people try to use them. But, it's all just the nature of the beast. Opinions are a part of the beast.

[TD alt]

Look I know it all can be bullshit, and, like I said, you have to use context, but if you look at these lists, there are some pretty good QBs on here.

So, in my opinion, they must be basing QBR on something that's legit. Sure, there are maybe one or two outliers, but, again, that's what context is for. 

 

[jb2288]

He had a great game and AGAIN (GB 2023, ATL 2024, LAR 2025) did enough to give me a ton of hope going into the next year. His fault is inconsistency. People are stuck in 2019 thinking if you don't throw for 300 a game your QB sucks. I want 235 a game, 2.5:1 ratio (rushing/fumble included), 66-67% completion, and win the NFC South next year with a winning record. Do that and I would give him the extension, miss those and I have serious questions and look at moving on for 2028. Bryce is inconsistent, but has shown he can do it. I have serious doubts he can do it for 17 games. 

 

Also, holy poo how can I stop getting a massive full screen pop up of a fuggin McGriddle sandwich every time I do anything on this god forsaken website

Edited 2 hours ago by jb2288

[TD alt]

24 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

He had a great game and AGAIN (GB 2023, ATL 2024, LAR 2025) did enough to give me a ton of hope going into the next year. His fault is inconsistency. People are stuck in 2019 thinking if you don't throw for 300 a game your QB sucks. I want 235 a game, 2.5:1 ratio (rushing/fumble included), 66-67% completion, and win the NFC South next year with a winning record. Do that and I would give him the extension, miss those and I have serious questions and look at moving on for 2028. Bryce is inconsistent, but has shown he can do it. I have serious doubts he can do it for 17 games. 

 

Also, holy poo how can I stop getting a massive full screen pop up of a fuggin McGriddle sandwich every time I do anything on this god forsaken website

The bad games far outweigh the good games, and some of the "good" games are just mediocre.

To your last question: Brave browser.

[PantherChris]

21 hours ago, PootieNunu said:

look over at QB Rating....His is the lowest.....not that hard to spin...

Bryce actually made plays down the field consistently in this game, first time ive seen him consistently throw down feild ill take a game like this over one with his 80% completion percentage and 70 yards all day.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, TD alt said:

Why do you guys keep saying this? I already know this. My post was in terms of the chart and the OP's point which was mainly based upon Bryce's "Total QBR." Even if you dislike QBR, you must dislike Total QBR either the same or worse because it's more subjective, as it's based upon opponents.

I generally don't believe that you can use any of these rankings or stats within a vacuum, but at least I know what passer rating is based on, and I can always peruse raw stats by myself. All of these metrics, stats and ultimately rankings should be juxtaposed against contextual perspectives in my opinion, otherwise you can come away with some wildly varied, or even misguided, opinions and judgements.

 

I have a mistrust of both QBR and Total QBR because of the opaque nature of them. 

They aren't terrible to bounce off other QB measures/metrics but I would agree none of these are a good idea to use in a vacuum.

[Navy_football]

3 hours ago, strato said:

Well I never played WR but a ball at my knees is not a gimme for me. So I figured same for them. I am not never wrong. 
And yeah that Rams TD, throw and catch was pretty perfect. You can’t hardly defend that. 

It was a great play, but a better catch than throw. The TE boxes out Moehrig for position. Jumps to catch the ball. Catches it and turns 180 degrees while he's still in the air. Comes down and toe taps to stay in bounds and lunges for the goal post. That first part where he boxes out Moehrig for the ball is huge. If he doesn't do that and simply fades back to catch the ball (this is why Bryce doesn't trust XL), then Moehrig likely undercuts the pass for a break up or INT. Stafford trusts his receivers to make plays for him. Here I slowed it down so you can see it. Great play but amazing catch and score by the TE. 

[Navy_football]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

If Cam Newton had thrown a pass like that at the receivers knees with the game on the line in the playoffs we'd be hearing about it all offseason and it damn sure wouldn't matter that the WR was a rookie.

No standards here anymore.

frank, that ball was very catchable where it hit his hands. I don't even think he bent at waist until after he dropped it. He actually slows his pace to position himself to catch the ball. That will never be a pass I'd blame on the QB.  

[strato]

5 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

It was a great play, but a better catch than throw. The TE boxes out Moehrig for position. Jumps to catch the ball. Catches it and turns 180 degrees while he's still in the air. Comes down and toe taps to stay in bounds and lunges for the goal post. That first part where he boxes out Moehrig for the ball is huge. If he doesn't do that and simply fades back to catch the ball (this is why Bryce doesn't trust XL), then Moehrig likely undercuts the pass for a break up or INT. Stafford trusts his receivers to make plays for him. Here I slowed it down so you can see it. Great play but amazing catch and score by the TE. 

 

 

Don’t know why but those videos won’t play on my iPad. I did get to see the play. 
And what you are talking about is what I expected to see more of with XL. Bryce just isn’t the passer over to the sidelines deep that Stafford is. Inaccurate a lot. Between XL’s sideline gaffs and the tendency to get the pass too near being OB or just OB it definitely doesn’t work like I hoped.  

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, strato said:

Don’t know why but those videos won’t play on my iPad. I did get to see the play. 
And what you are talking about is what I expected to see more of with XL. Bryce just isn’t the passer over to the sidelines deep that Stafford is. Inaccurate a lot. Between XL’s sideline gaffs and the tendency to get the pass too near being OB or just OB it definitely doesn’t work like I hoped.  

Maybe because it's Windows 11. 

Yeah XL doesn't have enough awareness to make that play. Even if he caught it, he would have stepped or jumped out of bounds. My theory is that XL is used to more zip on passes. Bryce throws with touch. Very different than what he's used to from Spencer. 

[strato]

2 hours ago, frankw said:

If Cam Newton had thrown a pass like that at the receivers knees with the game on the line in the playoffs we'd be hearing about it all offseason and it damn sure wouldn't matter that the WR was a rookie.

No standards here anymore.

My first reaction is the mental image of a Cam fastball which surely would make it more difficult. Vs a Bryce cream puff toss. I do think in that situation Bryce’s ball is easier to handle if it is not perfect. 
I don’t see the need to die on the it bad pass good pass hill, but do not think Bryce threw him a gimme, at the least. 
 

[strato]

19 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Maybe because it's Windows 11. 

Yeah XL doesn't have enough awareness to make that play. Even if he caught it, he would have stepped or jumped out of bounds. My theory is that XL is used to more zip on passes. Bryce throws with touch. Very different than what he's used to from Spencer. 

 I am not really willing to cut XL slack on the trajectory of the pass. In fact for a likely 50/50 result Bryce’s rainbows seem like they would be easier to come down with. I am picturing Russell Wilson’s punts that he was so lucky with so often. 
That is what I pictured it looking like with him and Bryce. 
 

You don’t have to be that close to the OB for that to work though. Which Bryce seems to not execute, he is often right on that line or over it. 
 

Seems like it couldn’t be that damned hard to make your angle a little less severe when throwing a deeper ball to the outside. But it has been. 
 

As to XL, I never had it out for him but I have eyes. He deserves to be demoted. 

[mav1234]

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

frank, that ball was very catchable where it hit his hands. I don't even think he bent at waist until after he dropped it. He actually slows his pace to position himself to catch the ball. That will never be a pass I'd blame on the QB.  

 

This is a drop.

Edit: it doesn't matter if it's the most perfectest throw, this is catchable. Or it looked like it live and looks like it here.

Edited 8 minutes ago by mav1234