Which Round Will Carolina Draft Sawyer Robertson?

[strato]

10 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Its better just to stay put and take one that falls to you than trade up. If you are drafting in the top 10 you take a qb unless your starter was out due to injury. Even then you probably should take one anyway. Rinse and repeat until you have a franchise guy and his replacement on the roster. 

They violated at least two of my cardinal rules with that trade up. 
 

I don’t believe in trading future first round picks, for anything.  That’s what got Hurney on my poo list.  That is the big rule.

The other rule is, if a player worth that kind of investment is sitting at the 1.1, the team with the pick will not give it up. You are trading for less than that, if you trade. So maybe do not do it. 

 

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[Jon Snow]

7 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Brissett  3366 yards 23/8 41.2 QBR in 14 games, starting 12. 

Bryce 3011 23/11 47.6 QBR starting 16 games. 

Let's not pretend Bryce was a dominant force at the QB position. 

And I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying about getting a QB2 with the potential to be a QB 1. None of those QBs were taken to be a QB1, but they became that anyway when given the opportunity. Develop a QB2 and develop him into a QB that could be a QB1. If he does and you end up trading him as a potential starter to another team for a 1st or 2nd, great. If you keep him, great. Either way, he's still an asset to the team. There's nothing wrong with developing assets.

Stats are what you're hanging your hat on? Keep dreaming. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, strato said:

They violated at least two of my cardinal rules with that trade up. 
 

I don’t believe in trading future first round picks, for anything.  That’s what got Hurney on my poo list.  That is the big rule.

The other rule is, if a player worth that kind of investment is sitting at the 1.1, the team with the pick will not give it up. You are trading for less than that, if you trade. So maybe do not do it. 

 

I'm ok with doing it if it's the final piece to going all in, as long as you're legitimately in a position to do so. Rams trading 2 1sts and a 2nd for Burns when they desperately needed an edge rusher to be a top contender for a Lombardi. Not a fan, but I get it. Rings are more important than picks, but they were missing one or 2 pieces to be dominant on both sides of the ball. Trading 2 1sts for Parsons when GB wasn't on the verge of greatness, an overpay in my estimation. 

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6 minutes ago, strato said:

They violated at least two of my cardinal rules with that trade up. 
 

I don’t believe in trading future first round picks, for anything.  That’s what got Hurney on my poo list.  That is the big rule.

The other rule is, if a player worth that kind of investment is sitting at the 1.1, the team with the pick will not give it up. You are trading for less than that, if you trade. So maybe do not do it. 

 

Trading up is a suckers move. If you are a good FO you will find a way to make the best of who's available. If you don't get your guy the odds are he will probably be available in 3 years because he will be drafted by a bad team.

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There are a few late rounds QBs I really like. This guy, Allar, Altmeyer, Green, Payton. But for tbe love of God, not Carson Beck

[SmokinwithWilly]

18 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Stats are what you're hanging your hat on? Keep dreaming. 

Brissett's stats, 280.5 YPG, 1.96 TPG, and .67 IPG, averaged out to 16 games would have been 4488 yards, 31 TDs, 11 Ints. He also had a higher YPA and completion %. You can't just dismiss stats like that and say that they don't count, because they do. That's good QB play, regardless of what the team record is. A QB that did that during the season could have competed with Bryce in camp. You think if Bryce missed is game and Brissett comes in and does that, Bryce is getting his job back? Ain't happening. And if you think it is, you're the one who's dreaming, not me. 

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39 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm ok with doing it if it's the final piece to going all in, as long as you're legitimately in a position to do so. Rams trading 2 1sts and a 2nd for Burns when they desperately needed an edge rusher to be a top contender for a Lombardi. Not a fan, but I get it. Rings are more important than picks, but they were missing one or 2 pieces to be dominant on both sides of the ball. Trading 2 1sts for Parsons when GB wasn't on the verge of greatness, an overpay in my estimation. 

Okay I probably should have said for a draft pick. There are times when I would be okay with maybe trading next years 1 for an established player.  
But not many. Think about it, you are trading 5 years of a controlled cheap contract for a contract that will probably be your largest or one of them. It is an incredible price to pay.  

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12 minutes ago, strato said:

Okay I probably should have said for a draft pick. There are times when I would be okay with maybe trading next years 1 for an established player.  
But not many. Think about it, you are trading 5 years of a controlled cheap contract for a contract that will probably be your largest or one of them. It is an incredible price to pay.  

I agree with that. Moving 1 or 2 spots up, ok, depending on the cost. Moving to 1 from 9, nope. Moving to 1 from 20, I don't even want to know what that would cost. Cheap rookie contracts are the only way to really be competitive. You have to hit on your picks at impact positions to have a chance for a deep playoff run year after year. Bills and the WR group are a perfect example. Elite QB, no one to catch it.